Leaked units sales reportedly gathered by Chart Track, have revealed that Wii outsold PS3 by around 8,000 units last week.
According to the figures, on its third week on sale in UK the PS3 sold 17,000 units with ample stock in stores, while Wii, which is still suffering from shortages, sold 25,000 units.
A Chart Track rep refused to comment on the figures, while Nintendo UK were unavailable for comment at the time of writing.
But it's safe to presume that Nintendo will be pleased with these figures, which mark a significant victory for the company in the face of the PS3's launch period.
I personally don't rate the Wii as anything beyond a cleverly marketed gimmick, but anyone can see how disasterous this is for the PS3.
I'd consider buying one (just for the BlueRay), but the crummy finish scratches so easily... I saw one at the London Game Fair and the guy guarding it told me they'd only removed it from its box and put it into the glass case and it was ALREADY scratched to buggery.
Oh and the complete lack of good games...
But 17,000! It's Week Three in the Big Brother House and the PS3 is already crying into its chips...
..and Yes, I have played a number of games on a friends US version (the fact that he was twice as happy when he sold it, than when he bought it, tells you everything).
What I don't understand is why chart trak publically and hypefully releases information that favor Sony (such as the fastest selling console in the UK in the first 2 days) but any other information has to be "leaked" rather than publically announced and on top of that they step up to defend Sony by calling the leak "meaningless" as seen last time this happened. Doesn't sound like a very objective statistics provider to me and that makes the not-so-good-for-Sony results even more important.
..and Yes, I have played a number of games on a friends US version (the fact that he was twice as happy when he sold it, than when he bought it, tells you everything).
I think PS3 sales vs Wii sales is irrelevant in the bigger picture in my opinion the vast majority of wii sales will be the casual gamer, who will buy less software than the PS3 and 360 buyer, so how the PS3 is doing against the 360 is the real answer and at the moment it doesn't matter, it will be the christmas period that will tell how things are. But i think the price really is hurting the PS3 I think a lot of people out there are waiting for a big price cut just like happened with the original xbox, that could really ignite sales, and it would be good for everyone as the 360 price might drop as well?
I hope something happens soon so I can make up my mind which one to buy, as Ive said befor to me the prices are nearly the same for me, except I'd get a game or 2 extra with the 360, as I need a wireless adapter and Live subscription, which bring the prices close to each other
marklfc, you should do some research before making such claims. The software attachment rate for the Wii is already almost one point (that's big for these stats) over the PS3's as seen in a recent news report. The Wii reached 2.30 while the PS3 was at 1.35. The Wii also had 29 titles that had sales of above 10000 units as opposed to the PS3's 17. The Wii also had 5 titles that sold better than the PS3's top selling title and two titles that broke the 1 million unit sales mark as opposed to the PS3's highest selling title only peaking at just 238,000 units. Several of the top 10 titles weren't casual games either, for example Twilight Princess also sold more than the top selling PS3 title. Not bad for a game that's also available on GameCube eh? http://www.vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id=240
Wii games will sell less? I don't think so, try harder.
I think PS3 sales vs Wii sales is irrelevant in the bigger picture in my opinion the vast majority of wii sales will be the casual gamer, who will buy less software than the PS3 and 360 buyer, so how the PS3 is doing against the 360 is the real answer and at the moment it doesn't matter, it will be the christmas period that will tell how things are. But i think the price really is hurting the PS3 I think a lot of people out there are waiting for a big price cut just like happened with the original xbox, that could really ignite sales, and it would be good for everyone as the 360 price might drop as well?
I hope something happens soon so I can make up my mind which one to buy, as Ive said befor to me the prices are nearly the same for me, except I'd get a game or 2 extra with the 360, as I need a wireless adapter and Live subscription, which bring the prices close to each other
Well I am not a casual gamer and I own a wii, I know a few other non-casual gamers who have wiis too. Wii is for everyone. Just because the whole family can play it and enjoy it does not mean that it is only for casual gamers. In fact I think it is complete gamer snobbery on the part of many due to their nan now being able to play the same games. I actually love the fact that my girlfriend, my mom and my brother (who can only use one of his hands properly and so with many wii games can now at last compete on a level playing field) can all play games together. More people playing games makes them all the more fun. I also have almost as many games on my wii as I do on my 360.
As far as PS3 goes, I will not be buying one until the price drops and the more essential games arrive, and even then I may put off buying one just due to sony's arrogance recently. (I loved lik-sang!!!)
And the fact that a console that is sold out still (see Play.com and Amazon.co.uk) outsells a console with plenty of stock really speaks volumes. People aren't prepared to pay the ridiculous price for the machine.
I don't doubt the quality or the power of the machine but asking £425 for machine with no HD lead and with a very poor selection of games (Motorstorm was the only game I was interested in before playing it in a shop on saturday) is in my opinion rude and it seems that the games buying public are in agreement with that looking at those figures. Sony needs to act and act quickly.
Obviously this is not good news for Sony, but I still think it is fairly meaningless as an indicator of the medium or long term PS3's prospects. The price is very steep, particularly when compared to other territories. And there are (relatively) few games.
Unlike many people who post here, I don't have a friend who sold his PS3 already, and I don't work in GAME, or know someone who does. Nor do I live somewhere where HMV staff are complaining that the PS3 isn't selling. But I do want a PS3, and I'm willing to wait a while to save some money. I bet that isn't particularly unusual.
Until all consoles are widely available, demand can't easily be compared, especially whilst Nintendo continues to have supply-side problems.
..and Yes, I have played a number of games on a friends US version (the fact that he was twice as happy when he sold it, than when he bought it, tells you everything).
youre just a lier
rdsx, I think the word you're looking for is "liar", and I'm sorry if you really don't want to believe it, but it is true (why would I bother making up stories, it's only a flipping games machine). I know I don't have to justify myself to you, but I own a Wii, Xbox 360, PS2 and if the latest Playstation was IMO worth the expense I would own one of those too. Unfortunately though, the latest Playstation is (at present) not worth the asking price.
this is the first PS3 thread that ive not seen plastered with sony fanboyism, could it be that they've finally given up and accepted the PS3's current defeat?
My crystal ball sees the PS3 taking off in 12-18 months from now, but not without a lot of changes done by sony, like price for example, also the price of games, and of course it should have some good games by then also
this is the first PS3 thread that ive not seen plastered with sony fanboyism, could it be that they've finally given up and accepted the PS3's current defeat?
Al3x I did not quote any figures as I am talking about over the life of the console, not since launch obviously the wii is going to sell a lot more software at the moment, more consoles out in the hands of gamers cheaper console price so more games can be purchased etc, but will the games per console ratio stay as high over the life of the console? in my opinion no but that is my opinion.
Al3x I did not quote any figures as I am talking about over the life of the console, not since launch obviously the wii is going to sell a lot more software at the moment, more consoles out in the hands of gamers cheaper console price so more games can be purchased etc, but will the games per console ratio stay as high over the life of the console? in my opinion no but that is my opinion.
I probably agree with this. Wii's vulnerability in the long run will be software, which will be needed to keep the platform distinctive and fun when the more powerful consoles are getting stuck into the new generation. PS3's main vulnerability is its price (and so, by extension, market share). Price can always come down, but timing will be everything.
Obviously this is not good news for Sony, but I still think it is fairly meaningless as an indicator of the medium or long term PS3's prospects. The price is very steep, particularly when compared to other territories. And there are (relatively) few games.
Unlike many people who post here, I don't have a friend who sold his PS3 already, and I don't work in GAME, or know someone who does. Nor do I live somewhere where HMV staff are complaining that the PS3 isn't selling. But I do want a PS3, and I'm willing to wait a while to save some money. I bet that isn't particularly unusual.
Until all consoles are widely available, demand can't easily be compared, especially whilst Nintendo continues to have supply-side problems.
Nice to see a well balanced, un-biased view on these boards for a change. And it is funny how a lot of people seem to know someone who did something to benifit their stance on this whole thing.
I personally don't really have an interest in weekly figures. We never used to find them out so freely and it never really bothered anyone. Just seems like fanboy fuel really. It will be interesting to see the PS3's sales after a year and then know whether to get worried or not but at the minute I'm perfectly happy with my PS3 AND my 360... though to be honest, I'm not so bottomd about my Wii. I cleared Zelda after the first week or so and have gone through quite a lot of other games that really didn't hold my attention or just plain stunk so got swapped. It's disappointing when the main reason I turn the thing on at the minute is 16-17 year old game. My mum(when I took it home for christmas) and girlfriend seemed to enjoy the Wii for short periods which was fun to start with as it's nice for people to show an interest in something I'm so passionate about but the novelty of that has worn off and the thing never gets used. And what's the use of me owning a machine that other people seem to like but has nothing of interest to me on it. I've a bad feeling it's going to end up like a modern-day Trivial Pursuit and only get dragged out a few times a year. Hopefuly I'm wrong and the decent games that aren't just looked at for novelty value will soon start to pour out.
I probably agree with this. Wii's vulnerability in the long run will be software, which will be needed to keep the platform distinctive and fun when the more powerful consoles are getting stuck into the new generation. PS3's main vulnerability is its price (and so, by extension, market share). Price can always come down, but timing will be everything.
Software is in Nintendos favour more so then it is for Sony, at the present. Considering the Wii has been a success so far, developers are starting to catch on, and shift their resources to the platform.
We'll probably see a s**tload of games announced for Wii at E for All later this year.
You have to base that opinion on something other than what you want to see (for whatever reason) marklfc.
The Wii is at the start of its life and it has already sold enough units to guarantee good third party developer support unlike past Nintendo systems. There are 6 million units out there and counting, and as is evident by software sales they buy more than just casual titles. What developer in his right mind doesn't wanna try and exploit that?
We already see a flood of s**tty ports going to the Wii because everyone was caught off guard by its immense success and tries to quickly capitalise on that and make a quick buck. Many of the hyped multi platform titles came to the Wii as well, especially from EA. That won't last however and the Wii will get the support it deserves soon enough, there are many fantastic upcoming titles on the horizon. Besides, even the PS2, the most successful home console yet, was a parking space for all sorts of junk you can think of.
Sure the Wii lacks good titles RIGHT NOW but the same can be said for the PS3 (well, even more so actually) and it's something natural for up and starting systems. It could also be said for the 360 at the start of its lifetime as it actually only lately is starting to get the killer titles that make people take notice even though it's been around for so long.
PS3's sales so far however don't guarantee a good future at all as with such a small fanbase, third party developer support will eventually grow thinner rather than keep expanding. Sony have to do something, or watch their baby die early.
this is the first PS3 thread that ive not seen plastered with sony fanboyism, could it be that they've finally given up and accepted the PS3's current defeat?
Seems to me that these things tend to attract more MS and Nintendo fanboys than anything.
And it is funny how a lot of people seem to know someone who did something to benifit their stance on this whole thing.
Isn't it? Must really suck for the guy who really does work in GAME and has something interesting to say... thought that's probably rare
I'm not that impartial; since SEGA Saturn/PSOne days I've paid a lot of money on products bearing the PlayStation brand, but I try to see this objectively. As for other fanboys, they certainly prove that the only thing harder than arguing with a genius, is arguing with an idiot...
Sony's arrogance knows no bounds. For those who haven't seen this yet:
PS3 'volume' production begins
Perhaps they should concentrate on getting the first batch sold first!
Admittedly I do favour the Wii... but the fact it's outselling the PS3 when there's a shortage must be incredibly worrying for Sony. At this rate the PS3 user-base is going to be much smaller than Wii, which means it won't have the same appeal to developers/publishers as the PS2 did... whilst the Wii, with its lower development costs, is going to be very appealing. Which is great news for Wii owners as it will mean plenty of games to choose from (eventually!).
The idea that it's hardcore gamers who drive software sales seems foolish to me. Obviously it's very difficult to know what the ratio is, but let's say 10 casual gamers for every hardcore gamer. If the casual gamers only bought 1 game a year, the hardcore gamer would have to buy more than ten to make the same number of software sales... and TBH my impressoin is that the PS2's success was in part down to its popular (i.e. casual) appeal.
this is the first PS3 thread that ive not seen plastered with sony fanboyism, could it be that they've finally given up and accepted the PS3's current defeat?
lol, well theres a bit of food for them
this is the first PS3 thread that ive not seen plastered with sony fanboyism, could it be that they've finally given up and accepted the PS3's current defeat?
Seems to me that these things tend to attract more MS and Nintendo fanboys than anything.
Very true, i couldnt give a rats a** how the PS3 does, or which console is better, they all have their pros and cons, but i do enjoy the current situation being stuck in the face of sony's arrogance
The idea that it's hardcore gamers who drive software sales seems foolish to me. Obviously it's very difficult to know what the ratio is, but let's say 10 casual gamers for every hardcore gamer. If the casual gamers only bought 1 game a year, the hardcore gamer would have to buy more than ten to make the same number of software sales...
Which is one of the things that worries me. It means the majority of games are going to be geared towards this new breed of casual - play it for half an hour at a party, p**sed-up - gamers as that would be where the profit is... there're only so many rolling ball maze games I can take
In my opinion current sales figures aren't really important; it's the christmas sale figures that actually matter. Will GTA 4 make any difference to PS3 sales when you can get it on 360 as well, will Halo 3 push 360 to a solid 1st place or could MGS4 do it for ps3? Will people still go crazy for Wii 1 year on? These factors and more make this report kinda irreverent in the long term.
..and Yes, I have played a number of games on a friends US version (the fact that he was twice as happy when he sold it, than when he bought it, tells you everything).
Can't argue with statistics like that really can you? That's the hard facts!
How many xbox 360 sold this week?hahahahaha!!!!!Ps3 is kicking xbox butt in UK big time.Sony rules
Oh good god. What a tit. I really hope you don't believe that.
Sony rule? Rule what? Your brain? Your wallet? Your bottom?
YOUR RIGHT. THIS GUY HAS NO CLUE. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY 360'S SHIFTED THIS WEEK CAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THEY'RE USERBASE INSTALLED, WHAT WITH ALREADY BEING OUT FOR OVER A YEAR. I THOUGH THE FANBOY WOULD HAVE DIED OUT BY NOW BUT LO AND BEHOLD THEY STILL BREED. WHAT AN bottom.
Sales figures are hardly accurate at the moment due to supply constraints on the Wii. The more telling fact is that everyone that wants a PS3 can get one, and this is what makes up this 17,000 units sold this week, whereas the 25,000 people that bought a Wii are only a portion of all the people that want a Wii so the gap is actually larger, but how large is something we at present do not know.
On the software side, Wii is doing better than the PS3. So far, the Wii has one killer title that will sell systems (Zelda), and another that is close to that (Wii Sports - not a killer title as such but it is selling systems to more casual gamers and doing a great job of getting non-gamers interested), and a few other fun games that are easily worth the £30 online asking price (including WarioWare, SSX Blur, Sonic if you're a fan, Monkey Ball etc), and more great games are on the immediate horizon with Super Paper Mario, Manhunt 2, Mario Strikers etc. The PS3 on the other hand has no killer titles and furthermore has none on the immediate horizon, and only a handful of games that are good (Resistance, Motorstorm, F1) but maybe not worth the £50 asking price.
In the long term future one must say both have a strong line up of titles coming to them including Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros, Metroid Prime 3 and No More Heroes on Wii, and GTA 4, Metal Gear 4, Final Fantasy 13 on the PS3 (though not all of these are exclusive, and it remains to be seen if any will be!) so gaming over the next year should be good for both systems. X Box 360 has just as good a line up though with GTA 4, Mass Effect, Too Human and of course Halo 3, so this holiday season I'm fully expecting the Wii and 360 to be the two best sellers purely because they both have great game line ups and of course price will still matter. Past next Christmas though, if Sony drop the price of the PS3, we could see it become a 3 way battle.
Unfortunately though, the latest Playstation is (at present) not worth the asking price.
I agree at present, much like the Xbox 360 wasnt worth the asking price at launch with is very few worthwhile games.
But you cant argue PS3 isnt worth asking price when at the end of the year lots of games will be out and when high definition movies will be come more popular. PS3 will be very much worth it
But you cant argue PS3 isnt worth asking price when at the end of the year lots of games will be out and when high definition movies will be come more popular. PS3 will be very much worth it
Actually, yes you can. You're ASSUMING that Blu-Ray is going to become very popular (maybe HD-DVD will instead. This isn't the first time Sony have tried to introduce new formats. Remember Mini-discs? Anyone... Echo echo...) for one, and as for worthwhile games, you HAVE to take into account how many of those worthwhile games will also be available on the as good (or near as dammit), significantly cheaper, Xbox360.
Is it worth paying £425 to play 10 worthwhile games when you can play those exact same games on a sub £300 console?
Personally, I think the price of the PS3 and the established base of Xbox360s out there are what is causing Sony the issue. The Wii has screw all to do with it IMO. The ONE saving grace Sony has is the back catalogue of PS2 games available, and really, I see this feature as an 'added bonus' rather than a major selling point...
Time will tell of course, but I can see Sony destroying all that hard work they've put in over the last two consoles. A shame, because they've done wonders for the game market on the whole, but I think their time may have come.
Lets just tell it like it is. The Playststion 3 is just too goddamn EXPENSIVE, SIMPLE AS! Who in the hell can afford £425? I'll be honest with you, I cant (make fun all you want). If your in a s**t job like me, doing 44 hours a week for minimum wage (and I bet I'm not the only one), and own your own house, car...etc, how is someone going to afford £425? I just feel sorry for the parents, who have more financial worries than me, who will have the pressure from their children wanting one. When Nintendo and Microsoft are offering their product for a more reasonable price for todays standards, what do Sony expect? Its just nice for those who can afford it, and judging by the sales, I think even well off people have had enough as well! What do you think guys?
You're ASSUMING that Blu-Ray is going to become very popular (maybe HD-DVD will instead. This isn't the first time Sony have tried to introduce new formats. Remember Mini-discs? Anyone... Echo echo...) for one, and as for worthwhile games, you HAVE to take into account how many of those worthwhile games will also be available on the as good (or near as dammit), significantly cheaper, Xbox360.
You're quite right, and who knows if HD discs will even be a big deal in the lifetime of this console generation? But blu-ray is starting to pull away, despite the fact that owners of blu-ray machines buy fewer discs per machine (largely down to the PS3). I think Microsoft's decision not to bundle HDDVD with the XBox Elite, despite giving their corporate backing to the format, is at least partly down to a similar reading of the HD tea leaves. But it's all speculation for now...
As I think everyone seems to be agreed, the PS3's fate is really all down to price. Sony have got roughly 3 million worldwide sales at this price point, which at just under a third of the XBox 360's installed base just isn't enough. Their strategy will make or break on how long they wait to drop their price, imho.
Sales figures are hardly accurate at the moment due to supply constraints on the Wii. The more telling fact is that everyone that wants a PS3 can get one, and this is what makes up this 17,000 units sold this week, whereas the 25,000 people that bought a Wii are only a portion of all the people that want a Wii so the gap is actually larger, but how large is something we at present do not know.
This is partly true, but economics isn't quite that straightforward. Consider this: the Wii has been routinely unavailable for several months. That means that demand is naturally higher than supply, but also unmeasurable as we are unable to test its depths over a period of weeks of full stocks. Similarly, the PS3 just sold nearly a quarter of a million units in 3 weeks. Sounds good, except that the PS3 just launched, so demand was bound to be high. But the price is high enough to depress consumer interest (in that sense, not everyone who wants a PS3 can get one). If PS3 cost what the Wii does, it would doubtless be selling very well. And so on...
In a sense, the point is that sales comparisons are relatively meaningless so early in PS3's consumer life, and as long as Wii is outselling demand.
Actually, yes you can. You're ASSUMING that Blu-Ray is going to become very popular (maybe HD-DVD will instead. This isn't the first time Sony have tried to introduce new formats. Remember Mini-discs? Anyone... Echo echo...) for one, and as for worthwhile games, you HAVE to take into account how many of those worthwhile games will also be available on the as good (or near as dammit), significantly cheaper, Xbox360.
I've got both Bluray on the PS3 and the HD-DVD on the 360 and you really can't tell the difference in terms of quality. However, you have to contribute some of the success of the DVD format to the sheer volume of PS2s out there - each capable of playing DVDs.
More players = more demand = cheaper discs = more players = cheaper format
Minidisc or Betamax isn't technically comparable as if you wanted to use the technology, you had to specifically buy a Minidisc player or Betamax player. Sony have used the PS3 to put Bluray players in peoples houses.
Compare the worldwide amount of shipped PS3's to the 360 add-on, and the fact that there are only 2 dedicated HD-DVD or Bluray players at present. Add the fact that Sony pictures has a huge back catalogue and loads of big name releases which won't be appearing on HD-DVD.
I think this war might be a bit more fought out than those other formats you mention.
I've got both Bluray on the PS3 and the HD-DVD on the 360 and you really can't tell the difference in terms of quality. However, you have to contribute some of the success of the DVD format to the sheer volume of PS2s out there - each capable of playing DVDs.
The idea that it's hardcore gamers who drive software sales seems foolish to me. Obviously it's very difficult to know what the ratio is, but let's say 10 casual gamers for every hardcore gamer. If the casual gamers only bought 1 game a year, the hardcore gamer would have to buy more than ten to make the same number of software sales...
Which is one of the things that worries me. It means the majority of games are going to be geared towards this new breed of casual - play it for half an hour at a party, p**sed-up - gamers as that would be where the profit is... there're only so many rolling ball maze games I can take
Agreed... There are bound to be developers who just try and cash in; hence all the lazy ports at the moment... that's the quickest way to get games into a fast growing market where there are few other games to compete with. But as more games become available there will be more choice and hopefully people will make more informed decisions on which games they buy... which should drive up quality.
Of course devs will be making a lot of games that appeal to the casual gamer because that's going to be a big market... but if you look at the PS2, that had games that catered to both casual and hardcore gamers. I think the Wii can also cater to both types of gamer. A killer app on a big selling console will earn the developers big money...
Agreed... There are bound to be developers who just try and cash in; hence all the lazy ports at the moment... that's the quickest way to get games into a fast growing market where there are few other games to compete with. But as more games become available there will be more choice and hopefully people will make more informed decisions on which games they buy... which should drive up quality.
Of course devs will be making a lot of games that appeal to the casual gamer because that's going to be a big market... but if you look at the PS2, that had games that catered to both casual and hardcore gamers. I think the Wii can also cater to both types of gamer. A killer app on a big selling console will earn the developers big money...
When it comes down to it, I suppose I'm going to get my 180 quid's worth even if it's only through first party titles. Who doesn't love Nintendo games?
Back to figures... How come every slight bit of PS3 number-related info is news-worthy in this place recently yet stuff like this http://www.informationarbitrage.com/2007/04/microsoft_phili.html isn't? Wouldn't want to upset more than one set of fanboys I suppose.
Put them side by side, or view them one after the other. You can't tell the difference without any fancy quality measuring gagetry.
I'm saying is that there isn't vast visual leap between the 2 formats, its all down to the installed base each format has, and at this stage Bluray has the edge.
I'm saying is that there isn't vast visual leap between the 2 formats, its all down to the installed base each format has, and at this stage Bluray has the edge.
I'm sure that's true as far as comparing the formats goes. I meant rather that the PS3 is actually a very good blu-ray player compared with other, dedicated, players, but the XBox is not as good compared with other HDDVD machines (especially when you consider sound quality, presence of HDMI 1.3 etc). I'll admit this is only a worry for the higher-end consumer, but feel that Sony's uncompromising standards may help them through on this one.
I think PS3 sales vs Wii sales is irrelevant in the bigger picture in my opinion the vast majority of wii sales will be the casual gamer
Those same casuals who also make up the vast majority of ps owners?
Without them,you have what's happening at the moment,a record lauch spike,due to the "hardcore" buyers,then sales drop down 82%,then drop again the following week,because those "casuals" haven't yet been granted the powers Midas had,to be able to afford a new 42" 1080p tv and the new ps console.
Sony and only sony have the powers to make the ps3 a success,if we don't like the price ,change it,if we don't like their arrogant,snooty attitude,then change it,don't blame us for not wanting to buy into your "family",don't blame us for now having a hatred towards your company!
You turned us this way,would you go and kick a Neapolitan mastiff in the testicals,then expect it to turn around and lick your face, (we're not a massochist,nor stupid)do the same to us and expect the same response!
I'm saying is that there isn't vast visual leap between the 2 formats, its all down to the installed base each format has, and at this stage Bluray has the edge.
I'm sure that's true as far as comparing the formats goes. I meant rather that the PS3 is actually a very good blu-ray player compared with other, dedicated, players, but the XBox is not as good compared with other HDDVD machines (especially when you consider sound quality, presence of HDMI 1.3 etc). I'll admit this is only a worry for the higher-end consumer, but feel that Sony's uncompromising standards may help them through on this one.
This is all part of the reason the PS3 is not selling. Sony have produced and are trying to market a entertainment machine, What the buying public wants is a Games machine. My wii and 360 provide great gaming experiences and I will get a HD-DVD or Blueray standalone player when the format war has been decided and it is safe for me to start collecting films again.
The DVD player in the ps2 was fine as DVD was already an established format and was not competeing against a rival format. Therefore the components were cheap and as a result did not add much to the cost of producing the machine. Blueray may well fail in the High def format war (especially as the HD-DVD players are less than half the price of the Blueray players and consumers identify HD-DVD with HDTV) Which could leave the blueray player in the ps3 as a (costly) media for the software only. (Remember sony have also stated that they do not plan to replace it for 10 years!).
Unfortunately though, the latest Playstation is (at present) not worth the asking price.
I believe the machine ,is actually worth the price,for what is under the hood,the price is an absolute bargain,but ,and it's a big but ,one that most of us see,the price point is far far above what we are willing to spend on a gaming machine,no matter what technology is under the hood.
Simple shopping phsycology,and brand name alone will not make a difference!
It's also the same reason why not everyone goes out and spends over £1000+ ,on a top spec custom pc ?
-that's a lot less than I would have thought. After a 1 year premature headstart Microsoft squandered their lead.
Very True! IMO the 360 is a very avarage console and could have been so much better if microsoft had not rushed it!!! I have a 360 and its ok with just a few good games and only one game im looking forward to (Mass effect) I don't own a PS3 as of yet because with a baby on the way i can't just go an blow £425 on a console but i will get one because i have had great times with the PS1 and PS2 so have hope that the PS3 give me some great AAA games too and HOME looks amazing. Im also lucky to own a Wii and i love it to bits but just p*ssed off with the lack of games but im sure that will change. Anyway the fact the Wii is selling more than the PS3 is because the Wii does not just appeal to the hardcore gamer it appeals to everyone. The only games my Girlfriend was into was the Sims and Sim city 4 (because girls love to be in control) but as soon as she played Wii sports and Zelda with me she was hooked and now i don't even get a go on my own console! As soon as im home from work she is playing her mates on Wii sports ( I just sit and watch the t**s bounce) So IMO the Wii will sell more than PS3 and 360 as it appeals to more people. Crusader OUT
I'm no fan boy but logic surely states that the Wii is half the price and should sell more. Parents are more likely to spend £200 than £400. I am not going to slag Sony off as their machine will surely improve over time. The question for Nintendo and Wii fans is how dated will their games look in 2 to 3 years when both the 360 and PS3 will both be very affordable and have vastly superior looking games which whether Nintendo fans like it or not will be a big attraction to a lot of people. My advice , if Sony are still struggling in 3 years time then gloat until then though i recommend everyone keep quiet, everyone thought the PS2 would not do so well and look at that. I'm only writing as Fan boys annoy the hell out of me, enjoy the machine you have and don't slag of the ones you can't afford just because you can't afford them.
-that's a lot less than I would have thought. After a 1 year premature headstart Microsoft squandered their lead.
You found all 4500, where were they hiding... that must have been one serious game of hide and seek.
....but seriously where did this figure come from? Did you make it up, your post has no proof, can you link to where this figure came from please.
The Xbox 360 sold 11,000 it's on Eurogamer who in turn get their info from Gameindustry.biz. That's the facts but bear in mind the 360 has been out for almost 2 years.
-that's a lot less than I would have thought. After a 1 year premature headstart Microsoft squandered their lead.
You found all 4500, where were they hiding... that must have been one serious game of hide and seek.
....but seriously where did this figure come from? Did you make it up, your post has no proof, can you link to where this figure came from please.
The Xbox 360 sold 11,000 it's on Eurogamer who in turn get their info from Gameindustry.biz. That's the facts but bear in mind the 360 has been out for almost 2 years.
Thank you J_C_X - someone who tells the truth rather than simply makes figures up.
The 11,000 sales is not a bad figure for the time of year and a console that launched over a year ago. In fact those are pretty strong sales when compared to the just launched PS3 sales, which are likely to drop again next week. These numbers have to be worrying Sony.
The 11,000 sales is not a bad figure for the time of year and a console that launched over a year ago. In fact those are pretty strong sales when compared to the just launched PS3 sales, which are likely to drop again next week. These numbers have to be worrying Sony.
Yep, I'm sure Sony are s**tting themselves... As I posted elswhere http://kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/charticle-the-first-four-months-249629.php US figures, yes, but seeing as the PS brand is stronger in Europe than the US I don't think they'll be stressing too much just yet. I'd advise people to give it a year before writing off Sony. This whole boring fanboy wail sounds very similar to the noise that was being made when the 360 launched... and the PS2 before that.
..and Yes, I have played a number of games on a friends US version (the fact that he was twice as happy when he sold it, than when he bought it, tells you everything).
youre just a lier
rdsx, I think the word you're looking for is "liar", and I'm sorry if you really don't want to believe it, but it is true (why would I bother making up stories, it's only a flipping games machine). I know I don't have to justify myself to you, but I own a Wii, Xbox 360, PS2 and if the latest Playstation was IMO worth the expense I would own one of those too. Unfortunately though, the latest Playstation is (at present) not worth the asking price.
i agree. i have had every consol/computer since launch you can all think of....back to the zx81 plus 16k ram pak, msx, remember those sony!!!!! to wii and 360, ds, psp. i am lucky enough to have a star wars pinball, tempest, plus quiz machines etc in my garage. i do not have a ps3. this has to say something.
s**t dude, red text, fine, but can't you make it standard size rather than an 18 point font. Frikkin' ridiculous. Believe me, nothing you say is so important as to warrant text of that size.
I think Wii outselling PS3 at the mo if the stats are true is irrelevent, because each company is going for a different market. I actualy think it would be a disaster if the Wii wasn't outselling the PS3, being nearly 1/3 the price right now. What others have said is true. This is a pointless bit of news which gives Nintendo fanboys a platform to attack other consoles.
Casual gamers buying the Wii? Dude, Sony invented the casual gamer! If it weren't for the PlayStation, there would be no casuals playing games.
Not quite sure how you worked that one out. What Sony managed with the PlayStation that Sega couldn't with the Saturn was make games seem "cool" rather than a bit of a nerdy thing to do. They helped shed the image of boys in a darkened room for hours on end playing games with games such as Gran Turismo that made games cool and not something you'd want to keep quiet about. This is not the casual gamer. Sony made games appeal to the mass market but this was by making games realistic and cool rather than babyish and cartoony rather than attracting casual gamers. The DS has invented the casual gamer with games like Nintendogs and Brain Training, and Wii has taken this on with Wii Sports, as it gets people that would never normally play a computer game to pick up the DS or Wiimote. Sony just allowed people to talk about games without being termed a "nerd".
Why does everyone keep comparing the PS3 and the WII. The Wii is half the bloody price so of cause it will sell more units!! I own both and come on guys the Wii is pretty basic. Yeah its a great machine and id never sell it but since buying the PS3 its gathered dust. Too many kids games. When buying a new console I like to be impressed with the next generation, and sadly upon opening my Wii I was far from impressed. Like I said great machine but not a patch on sonys, if you have the cash own both, if not save that bit longer and get the only console worth owning.
Why does everyone keep comparing the PS3 and the WII. The Wii is half the bloody price so of cause it will sell more units!! I own both and come on guys the Wii is pretty basic. Yeah its a great machine and id never sell it but since buying the PS3 its gathered dust. Too many kids games. When buying a new console I like to be impressed with the next generation, and sadly upon opening my Wii I was far from impressed. Like I said great machine but not a patch on sonys, if you have the cash own both, if not save that bit longer and get the only console worth owning.
Only console worth owning?I'd rather have a wii than a ps3, (a) because i find it better and (b) i could buy it then sell it on ebay for profit, something you can no longer do with ps3. The wii is also still in high demand and publishers are flocking to it or being forced to support it so they can can cash in, either way the wii will gain more support from publishers while ps3 loses exclusives to 360.
Look you gotta realise that although the Wii is a good console with a specific type of game, it has its limitations.
Do you think developers like Bethesda, Valve or Bioware are looking to create their future titles on the humble Wii, their imagination being stifled by its technical limitations? No. These companies are the current future of gaming in my eyes, and certainly those whose games i'm going to want to play. It's obvious they will throw support behind the 360 and ultimately PS3 in the long run.
What i hope is that the Wii can coexist with the others, having its own set of innovative and quirky games that don't require huge processing power to be of critical acclaim.
Look you gotta realise that although the Wii is a good console with a specific type of game, it has its limitations.
Do you think developers like Bethesda, Valve or Bioware are looking to create their future titles on the humble Wii, their imagination being stifled by its technical limitations? No. These companies are the current future of gaming in my eyes, and certainly those whose games i'm going to want to play. It's obvious they will throw support behind the 360 and ultimately PS3 in the long run.
What i hope is that the Wii can coexist with the others, having its own set of innovative and quirky games that don't require huge processing power to be of critical acclaim.
I registered on this site just to counter this point because I utterly and completely disagree. Technical limitations DO NOT hamper imagination at all. In fact I would go as far as to say that in this 'new' age of power and graphics imaginative games have been almost non-existent. You only have to look at the crap that is constantly forced down our throats on a regular basis. Cheap ports, rehashes of similar games, new games with the same gameplay as the last but with BETTER GRAPHICS and the industry has suffered because of it.
It takes a truly skilled developer to use his imagination and forget technical limitations in the pursuit of creating a truly awe-inspiring experience.(Think back to last time you played something that you felt you had never done before, something fresh and new, we haven’t even had a new genre for years now!) I remember the days of SEGA and NINTENDO back in the day! now that was gaming and one thing better graphics is never and never will be Hardcore ONLY casual gamers are satisfied with monetary graphical enhancements, true gamers value gameplay, innovation, ambition, skill, daring and intelligence in their games.
I thought developers would really be able to bring gaming back with the Wii but the increasing amount of shoddy ports and half-bottomd attempts from certain companies have shaken my confidence. Maybe I have given modern developers more credit than their due. Only a few manage to continually impress me with their efforts and you know what Nintendo are one of those developers!
I registered on this site just to counter this point because I utterly and completely disagree. Technical limitations DO NOT hamper imagination at all. In fact I would go as far as to say that in this 'new' age of power and graphics imaginative games have been almost non-existent. You only have to look at the crap that is constantly forced down our throats on a regular basis. Cheap ports, rehashes of similar games, new games with the same gameplay as the last but with BETTER GRAPHICS and the industry has suffered because of it.
You mis-interpret me. I agree with you, technical limitations do not hamper innovation and imagination, but my point is developers don't look at the games market with such a naive view. Bethesda wouldn't create the next Elder Scrolls on anything less, and its the way the industry works. What i'm saying is without these key companies fully backing the Wii it's hard to see it continue to lead the market in the long run unless more people like yourself are willing to concede that technically inferior games can be as good and satisfying to play as any.
I registered on this site just to counter this point because I utterly and completely disagree. Technical limitations DO NOT hamper imagination at all. In fact I would go as far as to say that in this 'new' age of power and graphics imaginative games have been almost non-existent. You only have to look at the crap that is constantly forced down our throats on a regular basis. Cheap ports, rehashes of similar games, new games with the same gameplay as the last but with BETTER GRAPHICS and the industry has suffered because of it.
You mis-interpret me. I agree with you, technical limitations do not hamper innovation and imagination, but my point is developers don't look at the games market with such a naive view. Bethesda wouldn't create the next Elder Scrolls on anything less, and its the way the industry works. What i'm saying is without these key companies fully backing the Wii it's hard to see it continue to lead the market in the long run unless more people like yourself are willing to concede that technically inferior games can be as good and satisfying to play as any.
business is business - if the Wii develops a large enough user base (and the signs of that so far are good) it would be very foolish indeed for these companies not to try and exploit it for profit (ultimately that's what all games companies are doing)...
What you describe may, or may not, be "how the industry works" at the moment, but given the continuous rise in development costs, companies that spend vast amounts on developing games for consoles with a limited user base are simply going to go out of business...
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YOUR RIGHT. THIS GUY HAS NO CLUE. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY 360'S SHIFTED THIS WEEK CAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THEY'RE USERBASE INSTALLED, WHAT WITH ALREADY BEING OUT FOR OVER A YEAR. I THOUGH THE FANBOY WOULD HAVE DIED OUT BY NOW BUT LO AND BEHOLD THEY STILL BREED. WHAT AN bottom.
