The internet went a bit mental when we reported that Devil May Cry 4 on PS3 forced you to install 5GB of data taking over 20 minutes - and Capcom has done it again with Lost Planet on PS3.
LP: Extreme Condition, which releases on PS3 on February 29 (that's next week), has picked up a mandatory 20-minute installation process before the game can be played, according to reports.
This, as Capcom was quick to tell us after the DMC4 uproar, helps to bring load times between levels down from what would otherwise be inherently slow Blu-ray drive load speeds.
Installation times don't rattle our cage much to be honest, having chose to install files on games where it was optional (Ridge Racer 7) but is it against the principles of console gaming?
Tell us what you think in comments below and look out for a discussion later.
I don't see a problem. Its obviously not essential for a game to do this (uncharted) and still be massive and a streaming open world enviroment, so its not a flaw in the console, or a limitation to the blu-ray drive. Therefore, it must just be down to the preference of the developer I guess?, but even so, regardless of who is to blame, it doesn't bother me either way, if it benefits the load times then great.
this isnt a good start to the Capcom PS3 relationship, PS3 owners are already getting stuffed with dodgy ports & delays on exclusives. Its just a step back inst it?, installing? waiting 20mins for a game to load?, whats next flashing colour loading bars? I think this will be a growing trend on the PS3 until they make the Blu-ray drives run quicker....
Yippppppeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I love a good 5gb install!
Still, I completed this on 360. Not a bad game but it won't be gracing my hard-drive. GT Prologue off the Hongkong psn has devoured all my time recently. What a game! And I beat a couple of Japanese folk yesterday in a Suzuki Swift! If your a fan of cars - get it now!!
Installation times don't rattle our cage much to be honest, having chose to install files on games where it was optional (Ridge Racer 7) but is it against the principles of console gaming?
I think this is the main point. 20 minutes isn't the problem. The problem is, we shouldn't be doing it in the first place!
Unfortunately this seems to be the way console gaming is heading.
What are people going to be saying when downloading games becomes the norm? Sitting there waiting for a 25GB download to finish and install.
Does it really matter? The only foreseeable problem is hard disk space, though even a 40GB PS3 is still capable of plenty of installs. Let's face it - people are still getting to grips with developing for the PS3. If the PS3 versions of DMC4 or LP (a 360 conversion) suffered from any PERFORMANCE issues (as many other high-profile dual-format games have) when compared to the 360, THEN there would be a real problem. Perhaps PS3 Orange Box could have benefitted from this - maybe it is performance that benefits from the install process. As developers start building games for the PS3 from the ground up, install options will gradually become optional rather than mandatory.
I fear for my 40GB HDD... Also, to one of the above posters, the whole point of these install's is to combat the low read rate of the Blu-Ray drive, which without these install's, would result in p**s poor load times.
this isnt a good start to the Capcom PS3 relationship, PS3 owners are already getting stuffed with dodgy ports & delays on exclusives. Its just a step back inst it?, installing? waiting 20mins for a game to load?, whats next flashing colour loading bars? I think this will be a growing trend on the PS3 until they make the Blu-ray drives run quicker....
What next?
Possibly text that cant be read on an SD TV .
Capcom seem pretty poor at development early on in a systems life
As long as PS3 game installs are either small (< 500 MB) and/or optional I have nothing against them but these 5 GB mandatory installs from Capcom are not great news for people with small (less than 60 GB HDDs). Even my own 160 GB HDD with 70 GB of space left could soon be used up if it becomes a regular thing... which I hope it doesn't.
The ironic thing is that having played both DMC4 extensively on the PS3 and 360, the loading times on that latter version, which runs off DVD, are either the same or in some cases faster than the former!!! Not really a great advert for BD loading speeds really, no wonder the PS3 needs an HDD as standard!
P.S. I own both the Xbox 360 and PS3 so there's no bias in my comments.
there are bigger, better looking games out there that u dont need to install anything for. clearly as the only two "20 minutes installs" are both capcom games, shows they arent the best coders. probably a quick fix to something they can be bothered doing properly.
Like people have said above me this has NOTHING to do with the PS3. You don't have to install a 5GB install for uncharted and how many load times are in that game? Get a grip Capcom FFS!
I fear for my 40GB HDD... Also, to one of the above posters, the whole point of these install's is to combat the low read rate of the Blu-Ray drive, which without these install's, would result in p**s poor load times.
As in my previous post, i agree with Vercetti, which vulcanraven goes against your point. "the whole point of these install's is to combat the low read rate of the Blu-Ray drive, which without these install's, would result in p**s poor load times." i cant see how you can say that, again i shall use uncharted as an example, massive open world, incredible graphics, streams like a dream, goes from gameplay to in-game movie and back without a hitch. like somebdy else said, its capcom being lazy!
there are bigger, better looking games out there that u dont need to install anything for. clearly as the only two "20 minutes installs" are both capcom games, shows they arent the best coders. probably a quick fix to something they can be bothered doing properly.
Considering the Xbox 360 version came on a DVD9 disc, you'd think Capcom would have considered releasing the PS3 version on DVD rather than BD to circumvent the slower read times? I believe the PS3's BD drive can read DVDs at 8X so it would have been a far better way than having to install the game to the HDD.
Considering the Xbox 360 version came on a DVD9 disc, you'd think Capcom would have considered releasing the PS3 version on DVD rather than BD to circumvent the slower read times? I believe the PS3's BD drive can read DVDs at 8X so it would have been a far better way than having to install the game to the HDD.
I dont think Sony will allow devs to put games on anything other than Blu-Ray. Sony arent going to let a 'inferior' disc be used instead of their mighty blu-ray discs are they?
@mfnick - True... but it's a real shame that it isn't optional as it's one way around the slow BD read speeds. Anyone remember when early PS2 games came on a CD before the move to DVD as standard?
its not a trend though! maybe if two different companies had a 20 minute install. but its the same company.. and both games arent exactly amazing looking or setting any benchmarks.. far from it.
i dont know the real reason why games install on the hard drive - its probably multiple benifits. but clearly other companies have more demanding games on ps3 and no installing.
its just laziness/inexperience.
i mean the lost planet demo is only 300 meg... wtf is it installing exactly on the full game?
Its not the point of the install or the time, although they are both very annoying. its the fact a company that are as big & experienced as Capcom are obviously struggling with the PS3?, i mean how are smaller developers getting on?, they must be screwed. & if they think its ok for Capcom to do the 5gb install then other struggling smaller developers will start following suit, then you have a trend. Either way Capcom aren't making very good decisions at the moment in regards to the PS3.
@mfnick - True... but it's a real shame that it isn't optional as it's one way around the slow BD read speeds. Anyone remember when early PS2 games came on a CD before the move to DVD as standard?
Maybe, like Lost Odyssey, it should have been on 4 discs, had really crappy load times, last gen graphics and sloppy frame-rate.
Sorry, could'nt resist. Just seen the LO review on Gamespot. Needless to say, they were not impressed.
And these are multiformat games too so the install sizes are smaller... imagine how big the install might be if Capcom decide to make an exclusive PS3 only game that uses 25-50 GB!!! EEEEEK!
have capcom said this or is it just a rumour you lot seem to have all the answers. while your all here do you have a release date for alan wake mgs4 and is lost oddessy on 360 as s**t as the reviewers saying. im also selling conflict denied ops on ebay for a penny hurry though theres only 2 mins left
there are bigger, better looking games out there that u dont need to install anything for. clearly as the only two "20 minutes installs" are both capcom games, shows they arent the best coders. probably a quick fix to something they can be bothered doing properly.
calling it a "trend" is stupid.
He is right calling it a trend imo, at launch there were 0 games that needed installation of files, since about September onwards more and more games are starting to require installs, and its not just Capcom because games like Hot Shots Golf and Spiderman 3 both require installs....but i do notice its more of 'port' Issue than anything..if a game is made to load quicker on a higher speed DVD drive (PC or XBox) then it gets ported to the PS3 the blu-ray drive simply isn't fast enough to load it as quick, so the easist thing for the developer to do is get it to install the main files onto HDD.....but if the developer took more time (and of course money) they could redo the code so it loads in faster way even with a slower drive, this was done many times when CD-ROM first came out to get load times down. So yes it is a trend and is happening more and more....though with PS3 only titles we shouldn't see it happening as much though.
I fear for my 40GB HDD... Also, to one of the above posters, the whole point of these install's is to combat the low read rate of the Blu-Ray drive, which without these install's, would result in p**s poor load times.
As in my previous post, i agree with Vercetti, which vulcanraven goes against your point. "the whole point of these install's is to combat the low read rate of the Blu-Ray drive, which without these install's, would result in p**s poor load times." i cant see how you can say that, again i shall use uncharted as an example, massive open world, incredible graphics, streams like a dream, goes from gameplay to in-game movie and back without a hitch. like somebdy else said, its capcom being lazy!
The problem is that you are comparing a multi-format game to an exclusive. Obviously the exclusive will look to take advantage of the PS3's hardware. With Uncharted, I remember reading a while back that data is still streamed from the HDD, but instead of a manditory HDD install, it pulls the data while you are playing. I guess the problem people are trying to point out is that more and more multi-format games could end up with large manditory installs. Just owning DMC4 and most likely Resi 5 will take up 10GB HDD space and with the majority of people owning a 40GB PS3, this could become an issue...
Well i always thought that most developers these days use middleware and dev libraries etc. This being the case you'd think the most basic of operations (disk access) would already be optimised and available for use? I'm sure sony did this with the PSX? Sure some developers do their own thing, and it's always been the case but an awful lot these days rely on third party libraries and engines. How accepting some of you guys actually are? The fact is for a console of any manufacturer it's pretty poor to rely on installs for a game to work. Sure use the drive for Cache to help with the access which loads and changes as required but its a bit poor having to allocate the space for one game alone. If people really want to change this situation from spiralling out of control with other developers too then maybe you should boycott the games and/or get them on another system? Vote with your money, i'm sure the developers will catch on pretty quickly, and if there not to blame then its a sure bet they'd lay on some pressure to Sony to rectify any problems which may be present.
So if you have a 40gb PS3, after 6 or so installs, adding on save game data et al, you're f**ked...
You do understand how hard drives work dont you?
Data can actually be deleted off a hard drive when it is no longer needed to free up more space for other installs or files, your hardly f**ked as you put it
How many people honestly play 6 games all at one time and would require that many installs to be present on the HDD at once.
There is no denying this could become an annoyance if it becomes a trend for developers to start requiring a mandatory install of 5gig but its hardly the end of the world is it.
If you do happen to require more that 6 games to be installed at one time its not too much trouble or expense to install a bigger drive.
So if you have a 40gb PS3, after 6 or so installs, adding on save game data et al, you're f**ked...
You do understand how hard drives work dont you?
Data can actually be deleted off a hard drive when it is no longer needed to free up more space for other installs or files, your hardly f**ked as you put it
How many people honestly play 6 games all at one time and would require that many installs to be present on the HDD at once.
There is no denying this could become an annoyance if it becomes a trend for developers to start requiring a mandatory install of 5gig but its hardly the end of the world is it.
If you do happen to require more that 6 games to be installed at one time its not too much trouble or expense to install a bigger drive.
Im sorry but your an idiot. How can you see this as not a problem? I for one like the odd blast on my older games & having to go through hassle of deleting & then waiting for my game to install is a lot of unnescassary hassle. The PS3 is also a console, not a PC. I shouldnt have to buy/upgrade any part of it for any cost whatsoever. If this become the norm I can see me turning into a PC gamer in the future. It'll be same amount of hassle but for more return.
60GB (even 40) is more than enough to hold all your demos and game installs, without hording unnessecary pish on it. gigs at a time can be regained by having a quick clearout of stuff u dont need anymore, for whatever reason.
I have 47 games for my 360. Any one of them can be played at any time without any delay, extra cost or p**sing about. Even if a fraction of these were 5gb installs, even on a 60gb HDD I'd be pretty screwed. If the PS3 is going to make it so difficult to play my collection then it can get f**ked & I'll continue to buy the multi-format releases on 360
I do hope this trend doesn't continue (if indeed it is a trend, but lets not get into that...) simply because I, for one, don't like to sit staring at a screen for a while when I've just parted with my hard-earned cash for a new game. By the time I get the game home, I just want to play the damn thing, not sit around installing it.
I completely understand *why* some games might want to install data... but I don't get why it should be nescessary to. I mean, fair enough if you have the option to install LP to reduce load times... but shouldn't it be a choice?
And the game isn't that long, anyway. Does the 20 minute install time account for the gain in loading times over the duration of the game? 20 minutes is 1200 seconds. Say there are 10 levels in Lost Planet, and you only play the game through once (yes, I know there multiplayer, but this is just an example)... you'd have to be saving 120 seconds, or TWO MINUTES, per load if you sail through the game first time (er, like I pretty much did, since its mostly not that hard). Worth it? Maybe not....
or course, if you're playing multiplayer, or just playing it a lot, then thats different
Im sorry but your an idiot. How can you see this as not a problem? I for one like the odd blast on my older games & having to go through hassle of deleting & then waiting for my game to install is a lot of unnescassary hassle. The PS3 is also a console, not a PC. I shouldnt have to buy/upgrade any part of it for any cost whatsoever. If this become the norm I can see me turning into a PC gamer in the future. It'll be same amount of hassle but for more return.
Actually I dont like the idea of installing games and think that it should be optional, I just dont see it as been the huge problem some are making it out to be, I am hardly f**ked it I buy more than 6 games that need 5gig installs.
Its a sad fact that consoles are turning into PC and its not just installs that are the problem, we now regularly have unfinished games that require patching and even worse we are expect to pay for addition content that was always free on PC.
It still a darn site cheaper to upgrade a HDD in the PS3 to play new games if you feel to need to have ever game you own installed or happen to play more than 6 titles consecutively than it is to keep upgrading a PC for every new release.
This certainly is not idea but its also not the end of the world as some people are making out.
Capcom really need to look at their development process because if something like Oblivion is able to stream cache on-the-fly it really raises questions of why something like Lost Planet requires all that data installed at the get go.
60GB (even 40) is more than enough to hold all your demos and game installs, without hording unnessecary pish on it. gigs at a time can be regained by having a quick clearout of stuff u dont need anymore, for whatever reason.
I have 47 games for my 360. Any one of them can be played at any time without any delay, extra cost or p**sing about. Even if a fraction of these were 5gb installs, even on a 60gb HDD I'd be pretty screwed. If the PS3 is going to make it so difficult to play my collection then it can get f**ked & I'll continue to buy the multi-format releases on 360
there arent even 47 decent-enough-to-play games out for the 360 and ps3 combined. a lot of them must be stinkers. and/or downloadable (XBLA) s**te and im sure u dont even play half of them. stop showing off/lying.
with most ps3 games u dont even have to install f**k all, so u cant judge how many games, even at an average is going to fill up the hard drive. the 5GB for these capcom games is VERY excessive. the game doesnt need all that, lazy bastards - how come the 300MB demo runs fine, buy the whole game and it needs 5GB installed.. EH??!
47 360 games!? I can only think of about 10 decent games! Downloads, per chance?
Also, who plays more that 2 or 3 games at once? Stupid, stupid, stupid argument.
Oh, and if your worried about filling up your hard-drive then buy a bloody extra hard-drive. Quite cheap, you know. If you can afford to fill your hard-drive up with games then you can afford another hard-drive. Tsk.
In short: Of course its against console principle! I would get this for PC if I wanted to deal with installations. Also you will fill up the HDD pretty soon if this becomes a standard. And in a few years when i got a lot of games i dont want to have to uninstall a game to play another or to buy a movie. Sometimes you just want to have a quick go on a game, and that aint gonna happen if i have to uninstall and install taking 30 minutes of my life.
Developers take attention, we dont want this s**t to be mandatory. I demand the option to install. You should work harder in making engines that stream the worlds to overcome these loading problems. Now you are just being lazy!!
looks like consoles are now adopting the PC's bad points, what next CD keys?
You mean the PS3, I've not had to install one game on my 360 and they all run fine no slowdown, extreme loading etc etc, Apart from EA games they run sh*t on any platform
this installation issue is clearly an unforseeen weakness with the ps3. yet the ps3 fanboys on this site come charging to it's rescue once again saying this isn't a problem, blah blah blah. Honestly the hardcore ps3 fanboys on this website are a joke. you should feel embarsassed of yourselves. learn to be objective ffs. yes the 360 has rrod and the wii has average graphics but the ps3 has a bloody slow drive, a fairly lame software line-up, a s**t controller and an online service way behind live. just have the balls to admit the weakness in your beloved ps3 as well as it's merits. ...and before you go and flame me, i have a ps2, psp and ps1, but not a ps3 because frankly as a gamer it's a waste of money right now compared to the 360. good night.
this installation issue is clearly an unforseeen weakness with the ps3. yet the ps3 fanboys on this site come charging to it's rescue once again saying this isn't a problem, blah blah blah. Honestly the hardcore ps3 fanboys on this website are a joke. you should feel embarsassed of yourselves. learn to be objective ffs. yes the 360 has rrod and the wii has average graphics but the ps3 has a bloody slow drive, a fairly lame software line-up, a s**t controller and an online service way behind live. just have the balls to admit the weakness in your beloved ps3 as well as it's merits. ...and before you go and flame me, i have a ps2, psp and ps1, but not a ps3 because frankly as a gamer it's a waste of money right now compared to the 360. good night.
No. Spending hard-earned cash on 20+ 360 games and two 360's (both of which have gone up sh*t-creek and are now unuseable) is a waste of money. I feel utterly let down by microsoft.
Also, for the amusing tw*t that couldn't think of eight good games for the PS3, try:
Ok I was wrong I have 45. About 8 are XBLA titles. & no they arent loads of crap in there. Only a couple have left me dissapointed - namely Halo 3, Battlefield 2, Hexic (free), Undertow (Free), Carcassone (again free) & Just Cause.
The rest have definately been worth my time & I would recommend
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