Bourne Conspiracy developer High Moon has joined the growing list of development studios admitting to having problems working with Unreal Engine on the PlayStation 3.
In an interview with Gamasutra, High Moon VP Paul O'Connor was asked whether developing The Bourne Conspiracy across multiple platforms was difficult.
He replied, "We needed a lot of support on Unreal to make it run on the PlayStation 3. We got caught in the same crunch as everybody else when [Epic] finalized Gears [Of War], so that definitely slowed down the PS3 support at the time."
Other companies who have experienced trouble with the engine includes Too Human developers Silicon Knights, who are currently engaged in a legal battle with Epic over breach of contract.
Dark Sector director Steve Sinclair also expressed difficulties in using the engine, who reportedly told Australian website Gameplayer that "A lot of promises were made about the Unreal 3 engine, particularly on PS3.
"But as we see now, the time frames haven't been met and now a lot of games using it are being held up." Dark Sector developer Digital Extremes later said its comments were taken out of context.
Well maybe developers should'nt be so bloody lazy and design their own engines. They Should stop blaming consoles and tools for their own incompetence. I'm sick of hearing it.
Yeah no kidding...and since UT3 has already been out on the PS3 for several months...this argument/complaint holds little to no water with me. UT3 may not be a global dominator like Halo or MGS4 etc..., but it's still a very fun game, done pretty darn well...so these folks should be able to adapt just as Epic has.
Couldnt care about UT, but bourne looks great. Its all well and good blaming devs for being lazy but its just as much sonys fault for making it difficult tom program. If a console is too difficult or costly to make games for then companies wont make them, its that simple.
Well maybe developers should'nt be so bloody lazy and design their own engines. They Should stop blaming consoles and tools for their own incompetence. I'm sick of hearing it.
Well maybe developers should'nt be so bloody lazy and design their own engines. They Should stop blaming consoles and tools for their own incompetence. I'm sick of hearing it.
That's just not realistic though in this day and age. Development costs are such that few companies could afford to build an engine from the ground up.
I agree that it's a shame, because we'd see far more variation of ideas and production if each dev produced their own engine.
S'all about the money at the end of the day unfortunately
maybe they shouldnt even bother releasing what is sure to be a below average at best game on the ps3, especially with it going head to head with metal gear solid.
It may surprise you chris_ace but not every bloody PS3 owner is going to be creaming themselves over MGS, i doubt it will exactly halt all other game sales...
As for this information, in a year or two Developers will be working on the PS3 with ease i suppose. Many games have came out superb so whilst many developers have complained (so have a valid complaint), time is the key really.
Being a lay person though, i could be wrong and they could still be whining in a year or so
Well maybe developers should'nt be so bloody lazy and design their own engines. They Should stop blaming consoles and tools for their own incompetence. I'm sick of hearing it.
With the cost of developing a proper next gen game on 360 and PS3, not every developer can afford to build their own engine from the ground up. This is why many developers have purchased the rights to use the UE3 engine. Obviously Epic must have stated that it would be a piece of p**s to use the engine on both 360 and PS3 but that isn't the case, which is why you see PS3 versions of games being delayed and developers moaning about it. Imagine if you bought something and it wasn't as described on the box. Would you complain? I think so...
Couldnt care about UT, but bourne looks great. Its all well and good blaming devs for being lazy but its just as much sonys fault for making it difficult tom program. If a console is too difficult or costly to make games for then companies wont make them, its that simple.
Bear in mind that the developers of Too Human for the 360 have said that they had similar trouble with UREngine. I would'nt blame it all on the PS3.
Well maybe developers should'nt be so bloody lazy and design their own engines. They Should stop blaming consoles and tools for their own incompetence. I'm sick of hearing it.
With the cost of developing a proper next gen game on 360 and PS3, not every developer can afford to build their own engine from the ground up. This is why many developers have purchased the rights to use the UE3 engine. Obviously Epic must have stated that it would be a piece of p**s to use the engine on both 360 and PS3 but that isn't the case, which is why you see PS3 versions of games being delayed and developers moaning about it. Imagine if you bought something and it wasn't as described on the box. Would you complain? I think so...
But is that the fault of the PS3 or the UR engine? UTIII seems to work pretty well on my PS3. Developers just can't be bottomd making the effort. Therefore, I can't be bottomd buying the games.
Well maybe developers should'nt be so bloody lazy and design their own engines. They Should stop blaming consoles and tools for their own incompetence. I'm sick of hearing it.
With the cost of developing a proper next gen game on 360 and PS3, not every developer can afford to build their own engine from the ground up. This is why many developers have purchased the rights to use the UE3 engine. Obviously Epic must have stated that it would be a piece of p**s to use the engine on both 360 and PS3 but that isn't the case, which is why you see PS3 versions of games being delayed and developers moaning about it. Imagine if you bought something and it wasn't as described on the box. Would you complain? I think so...
But is that the fault of the PS3 or the UR engine? UTIII seems to work pretty well on my PS3. Developers just can't be bottomd making the effort. Therefore, I can't be bottomd buying the games.
It's the fault of Epic. When they created the engine they were busy making Gears of War for 360, so naturally the engine would be optimized for that format where as they had never developed for PS3 before. The other factor is that they don't want other developers showing them up by making better use of their own engine, so they restrict what developers can do, which is why the developers in this article stated they had to get in touch with Epic to resolve the issues.
It may surprise you chris_ace but not every bloody PS3 owner is going to be creaming themselves over MGS, i doubt it will exactly halt all other game sales...
As for this information, in a year or two Developers will be working on the PS3 with ease i suppose. Many games have came out superb so whilst many developers have complained (so have a valid complaint), time is the key really.
Being a lay person though, i could be wrong and they could still be whining in a year or so
well i think its obvious considering both games are 3rd person adventures featuring a spy as the protaganist. hmmmm which game are ps3 owners gonna choose to purchase, metal gear solid which is very likely to receive scores of no lower than 8/10 or bourne which will do well to score above 5
It may surprise you chris_ace but not every bloody PS3 owner is going to be creaming themselves over MGS, i doubt it will exactly halt all other game sales...
As for this information, in a year or two Developers will be working on the PS3 with ease i suppose. Many games have came out superb so whilst many developers have complained (so have a valid complaint), time is the key really.
Being a lay person though, i could be wrong and they could still be whining in a year or so
well i think its obvious considering both games are 3rd person adventures featuring a spy as the protaganist. hmmmm which game are ps3 owners gonna choose to purchase, metal gear solid which is very likely to receive scores of no lower than 8/10 or bourne which will do well to score above 5
I own a ps3 and ill be buying Bourne over MGS4, there, answered your question for you.
Something you all forget is that developer Insomniac is ALREADY on their 3rd generation PS3 game, and the two they've already released have been absolutely solid. I don't think I've ever heard anyone (except box fanboys) complain about either Resistance: Fall of Man OR Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction. This is definately one company that proves you don't need to complain so much if you just put your nose to the grindstone. Insomniac aren't the only one's though - think about Motorstorm, Lair, Heavenly Sword as far as exclusives, and that's not even mentioning all of the cross platform games that have looked and played great on BOTH systems.
My biggest question is why some companies don't complain and can put out great games, while others complain and put out crap. No one thinks there's a correlation between amount of complaining and final game quality? That suprises me, cause I notice it. It seems like a small number within the developer community just can't wrap their heads around anything besides a general purpose processor, and instead of getting with the game (so to speak) they just whine until release date comes along, and ship out an inferior product.
Why is it that when the PS2 came out people adapted to the new (and significantly harder to program for) architecture and put out great games, but this time around they seem dead set on using other people's tools, and complaining when they can't milk the PS3 for what it's worth?
I definately think developers were coddled by Microsoft when the box came out because not only do they have some quality SDKs, they have a basic system that's not hard to "realize," kind of like being handed a full set of Craftsman tools and a Ferrari. Easy to tool around with, and good tools to do it with. A year later, here comes the PS3 that gives you a CNC machine and a space shuttle. Do you have to machine your own specific tools? Sure. Will you end up on the moon. Eventually.
It may surprise you chris_ace but not every bloody PS3 owner is going to be creaming themselves over MGS, i doubt it will exactly halt all other game sales...
As for this information, in a year or two Developers will be working on the PS3 with ease i suppose. Many games have came out superb so whilst many developers have complained (so have a valid complaint), time is the key really.
Being a lay person though, i could be wrong and they could still be whining in a year or so
well i think its obvious considering both games are 3rd person adventures featuring a spy as the protaganist. hmmmm which game are ps3 owners gonna choose to purchase, metal gear solid which is very likely to receive scores of no lower than 8/10 or bourne which will do well to score above 5
I own a ps3 and ill be buying Bourne over MGS4, there, answered your question for you.
no u dont really count, I think everyone around here knows u took rubbish when it comes to ps3
Developers license the engine because it is cheaper and easier than investing in the R&D to build their own engines.
The UE3 has its challenges on both the 360 and PS3. As others have mentioned, Epic were far too busy developing Gears of War to really care about the problems. I don't even know how long the PS3 version of the engine has been out there, but UT3 was only finished late last year. Epic need to pull their finger out their bottom and start offering more support!
It's the same arguments we've been hearing for years though. The PS2 had an extremely different architecture that was a nightmare to develop for. Developers eventually got used to it, and we've seen the fruits of their labour. In time developers will get used of the PS3, but maybe that is brushing the issue under the carpet.
In general, many developers like to treat the console like a PC, which is a problem. They then moan because of the different architectures! Treat the PS3 (or Xbox or Wii, even) like a PC and you're not going to get the most out of it!
It may surprise you chris_ace but not every bloody PS3 owner is going to be creaming themselves over MGS, i doubt it will exactly halt all other game sales...
As for this information, in a year or two Developers will be working on the PS3 with ease i suppose. Many games have came out superb so whilst many developers have complained (so have a valid complaint), time is the key really.
Being a lay person though, i could be wrong and they could still be whining in a year or so
well i think its obvious considering both games are 3rd person adventures featuring a spy as the protaganist. hmmmm which game are ps3 owners gonna choose to purchase, metal gear solid which is very likely to receive scores of no lower than 8/10 or bourne which will do well to score above 5
I own a ps3 and ill be buying Bourne over MGS4, there, answered your question for you.
no u dont really count, I think everyone around here knows u took rubbish when it comes to ps3
Just because you're spunking your pants over MGS4 doesn't mean everyone is. Amazing how these sony fanboys believe these ps3 games are the be all and end of all of gaming, when really they arent anything special.
Well maybe developers should'nt be so bloody lazy and design their own engines. They Should stop blaming consoles and tools for their own incompetence. I'm sick of hearing it.
With the cost of developing a proper next gen game on 360 and PS3, not every developer can afford to build their own engine from the ground up. This is why many developers have purchased the rights to use the UE3 engine. Obviously Epic must have stated that it would be a piece of p**s to use the engine on both 360 and PS3 but that isn't the case, which is why you see PS3 versions of games being delayed and developers moaning about it. Imagine if you bought something and it wasn't as described on the box. Would you complain? I think so...
But is that the fault of the PS3 or the UR engine? UTIII seems to work pretty well on my PS3. Developers just can't be bottomd making the effort. Therefore, I can't be bottomd buying the games.
wow, you are a smart guy, i bow down in praise for you...
I played this game yesterday and was very surprised with it. When I first heard about this game and saw screens I wasn't impressed. Yesterday changed that and I can't wait to play it. I had a chat with a guy there about the game and he said should be a demo for Live and PSN around May time. The graphics were great and the combat was fun.
Well maybe developers should'nt be so bloody lazy and design their own engines. They Should stop blaming consoles and tools for their own incompetence. I'm sick of hearing it.
With the cost of developing a proper next gen game on 360 and PS3, not every developer can afford to build their own engine from the ground up. This is why many developers have purchased the rights to use the UE3 engine. Obviously Epic must have stated that it would be a piece of p**s to use the engine on both 360 and PS3 but that isn't the case, which is why you see PS3 versions of games being delayed and developers moaning about it. Imagine if you bought something and it wasn't as described on the box. Would you complain? I think so...
But is that the fault of the PS3 or the UR engine? UTIII seems to work pretty well on my PS3. Developers just can't be bottomd making the effort. Therefore, I can't be bottomd buying the games.
Epic made UT3, that's why they're not complaining about it.
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