Sony has said, "Yeah, whatever... look at all OUR PS3 exclusives!" as a riposte to Xbox 360's exclusive episodic GTA IV content, which it doesn't reckon many people will buy - initially anyway.
"...there's a lot of game to Grand Theft Auto and there's going to be a lot of game to Grand Theft Auto IV to the point where I think most people will have that Grand Theft Auto experience on the PS3, day and date, same core game shipping on the 360", Scott Steinberg, VP of Product Marketing at SCEA told GameDaily.
Xbox 360's episodic content may release in the autumn, he said, but referring to 'vanilla' GTA IV he added there's "a whole lot of product" releasing for PS3 in April too.
"...I personally don't think there's going to be a huge percentage of folks who jump into downloadable content for another price when they're still playing through the core product," Steinberg continued.
Buffing the artillery, he went on to talk about, when GTA IV on PS3 is combined with console-exclusives Metal Gear Solid 4 and Gran Turismo, how that sets Sony's machine clearly at the top.
"...I think that goes from tipping point to shoving point for consumers who are on the fence, wondering what platform should I buy... It's the elite of the elite products that actually enable hardware to be sold with software and we'll have three of them."
GTA IV is out on both PS3 and Xbox 360 on April 29. Make your decision now.
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
thats what i was thinking im only getting it for my ps3 cos the systems not so noisey and free online cos my live has run out and cant bottomd paying it yet,
For once, I think that there is a lot of truth in what this Sony guy is saying. The casual gamer won't give a monkeys about future dlc. Most of my mates don't read magazines or visit these sites but they all own consoles, whether it be 360 or ps3. All they are interested in is getting the game itself. I feel exactly the same.
For once, I think that there is a lot of truth in what this Sony guy is saying. The casual gamer won't give a monkeys about future dlc. Most of my mates don't read magazines or visit these sites but they all own consoles, whether it be 360 or ps3. All they are interested in is getting the game itself. I feel exactly the same.
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
General public are buying more PS3's then 360's. I wonder why?..
Please can we stop with the PS3 vs 360 GTA stories?!!....f**k me, its getting boring, i know its a slow news day, but dont dig up some old quote from a Sony rep just to get some hits & start another Fanboy forum war!.. People will buy for what console they want it for, end of, lets just get the game out & get on with just playing it & enjoy it, 360, PS3, who gives a f**k...
The casual gamer won't give a monkeys about future dlc. Most of my mates don't read magazines or visit these sites but they all own consoles, whether it be 360 or ps3. All they are interested in is getting the game itself.
I think you're probably right there, but I don't understand why it always comes down to "how many casual gamers buy whatever version of whichever game on whatever console". The number of consoles/games sold and the amount of money made by MS and Sony make no difference to game quality - neither company is going to shrivel up and die any time soon. DLC is obviously a good thing, no point pretending otherwise.
I'd also have to say that comments along the lines of "when GTA IV on PS3 is combined with console-exclusives Metal Gear Solid 4 and Gran Turismo, that sets Sony's machine clearly at the top" are clearly a bit silly. PS3 no doubt has lots to offer, but console exclusives aren't the selling point right now, are they? For a start GTAIV is multi-platform, and the other 'exclusives' aren't even out yet - silly sales man talk.
Personally, I'd have to say 'meh' to GT5 and MGS4 (loved the previous games but not digging 'old snake' approach)
PS: Beware logical arguments above furious Sony loving 12-year-olds (pssst, I loved the PS2 and didn't own the original Xbox, don't tell anyone though)
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
The casual gamer won't give a monkeys about future dlc. Most of my mates don't read magazines or visit these sites but they all own consoles, whether it be 360 or ps3. All they are interested in is getting the game itself.
I think you're probably right there, but I don't understand why it always comes down to "how many casual gamers buy whatever version of whichever game on whatever console". The number of consoles/games sold and money made by MS or Sony make no difference to game quality - neither company is going to shrivel up and die any time soon.
I'd also have to say that comments along the lines of "when GTA IV on PS3 is combined with console-exclusives Metal Gear Solid 4 and Gran Turismo, that sets Sony's machine clearly at the top" are clearly a bit silly. PS3 no doubt has lots to offer, but console exclusives aren't the selling point right now, are they? For a start GTAIV is multi-platform, and the other 'exclusives' aren't even out yet - silly sales man talk.
Personally, I'd have to say 'meh' to GT5 and MGS4 (loved the previous games but not digging 'old snake' approach)
PS: Beware logical arguments above furious Sony loving 12-year-olds (pssst, I loved the PS2 and didn't own the original Xbox, don't tell anyone though)
Yeah, agree. However MGS and GT, regardless of whether you like them or not, are head and shoulders above some of the drivel that comes out these days. They reek of quality. Same with Gears of War and Bioshock. I don't like them much but they still reek of quality. It's all horses for courses in the console world.
I think the average console owner will say no to downloadable content full stop. If it be GTA, CoD 4 or so on.
I think its a bit of a white elephant for games publishers to be honest, unless it adds a discernable additional content for a game then few will pay the fee to play a few extra maps or missions. The suggestion the other day for the Exclusive DLC for GTA didn’t honestly sound that appealing. If it were a new locations and story then it may be different, but the suggestion of a few extra missions sounds a bit of a rip off, like the new map packs for CoD.
I for one wont pay £6 for 4 new maps of CoD. I paid £40 for the game, I dont expect to pay more for something PC gamers create for free. Plus if people don’t buy the expansions, then they wont make them or include them in the game to begin with.
This price model seems to come from the MMO genre and maybe its suited to the Hardcore MMO player more than the casual console player. Its got to be worth pay the extra money for it, otherwise its just a rip off and I for one don’t care if its exclusive or not!!
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
I think it depend what type of GTA player you are as to whether DLC is important.
I like the idea of extending the story on GTA4 with DLC and I think that it should be great to have extra thing to do after I have completed the game.
But I know a number of friends that are more casual gamers that like the GTA series still have not finished any of the previous games and I highly doubt they would give a monkeys about DLC.
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
General public are buying more PS3's then 360's. I wonder why?..
In January, figures vary for February depending on which publication you read and due to price drop, 360 is back on top. However, this isn't to start a fanboy argument. Just stating that the PS3 line up isn't too hot, they still haven't released a decent number of must-have titles. In my house, Buzz is generating more of a stir for the PS3 than any other title they have coming out and that tells it's own story. If it wasn't for my wife playing SingStar every once in a while my PS3 would be more or less forgotten about.
Many "casual gamers" wouldn't think about forthcoming dlc when considering what format to purchase on, but then GTA isn't a casual game. With entry level prices for both machines varying by over a hundred pounds if console sales go up as a result of this release, i don't see it being Sony that benefit. That said, I can't see someone buying a console purely to play this game, if they were that concerned about gaming they'd have bought a console months/years ago!
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
Actually aside from those 2 exclusive titles, Im looking forward to a number of future exclusive releases including, Killzone 2, SOCOM 4, LA Noire, Getaway 3, and the follow-up to Uncharted.
Coming next week: Sony announces exclusive GTA DLC, fanboys rejoice.
im a huge sony fanboy..but the only dlc i would pay for is extra multiplayer stuff, such as new cars,skins,guns. i've never even bothered playing a full 100% of any GTA in the past. i only steal cars, shoot ppl and say..wow thats fun..then back to wow or something interesting btw..i will be buying this game for the online side
Yeah, agree. However MGS and GT, regardless of whether you like them or not, are head and shoulders above some of the drivel that comes out these days. They reek of quality. Same with Gears of War and Bioshock. I don't like them much but they still reek of quality. It's all horses for courses in the console world.
Fair point, I just can't bring myself to say anything nice about coma-inducing GT5, despite it's shinyness!
MGS4 will probably be ace, but I'm not sure an old man in a jump suit is going to sell a lot of PS3s to casual berks, which was kind-of my point. People who really like their games will no doubt get lots of joy out of GTAIV DLC and MGS4, hence the pointlessness of sales dudes talking about all the money they make.
Where is he getting the idea that (a) "casual" players will be GTA at all, and (b) nobody is interested in DLC? Has he seen the way people fall over themselves to grab patches and new maps when they come out on XBL?
Okay, so there's plenty of default content in GTA4 (we assume) already, so players won't need it right away. But what about the after-sales support? Ignoring the online component for a minute (which has yet to prove itself worth bothering with, when people have played the game to death then 360 users will have a reason to keep going.
But I still keep coming back to the fact that the exclusivity deal is only for 6 months or so. Has anyone said yet whether or not the "exclusive" content will NEVER be released on PS3? I don't think they have, so it's entirely likely it'll appear on PS3 pre-Xmas.
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
Coming next week: Sony announces exclusive GTA DLC, fanboys rejoice.
very true, if this was on the PS3, it would be the best thing since a segmented loaf... but that's how petty & bitter people have become.
To be honest, I would be seriously gutted if the dlc was released mere weeks from the games launch. As it is, coming out in august onwards, I will be looking towards future titles by then and not caring a jot. No doubt 360 fans will too, seeing as Fable 2, GOW2 and Banjo will be flashing their wares by then. It just is'nt as important as you think.
Your probably right about sony fanboys waving the flag if sony announced dlc for ps3, but I won't be one of them. Well, unless it comes out in may or june.
Yeah, agree. However MGS and GT, regardless of whether you like them or not, are head and shoulders above some of the drivel that comes out these days. They reek of quality. Same with Gears of War and Bioshock. I don't like them much but they still reek of quality. It's all horses for courses in the console world.
Fair point, I just can't bring myself to say anything nice about coma-inducing GT5, despite it's shinyness!
Thats harsh?, GT5 is a very polished game/demo/trial?, (& i dont just mean the cars) even if you dont enjoy the game (i dont see how) you gotta admire the quality & love that its been put togther with?.
Its the "who can throw more money at Rockstar to get more game than your main competitor", or is stupid enough to, (Microsoft), because it will most likely just be extra missions or vehicles or whatever in the game, ie the same exact thing you will be doing a whole lot of in the core game.
Doubt it will be anything much that most PS3 owners wont feel left out from not getting.
Has anyone said yet whether or not the "exclusive" content will NEVER be released on PS3? I don't think they have, so it's entirely likely it'll appear on PS3 pre-Xmas.
Another very good point, but I would've thought that MS' pockets are deep enough to keep the DLC exclusive to 360 until just after Xmas (Santa always shifts lots of consoles). Every possibility this'll end up on PS3 after a load of 360's get sold in Apr and Dec '08. I'm looking forward to 'Sony sales man #357' coming out with his next "no-one cares about DLC" soundbite when that happens
Thats harsh?, GT5 is a very polished game/demo/trial?, (& i dont just mean the cars) even if you dont enjoy the game (i dont see how) you gotta admire the quality & love that its been put togther with?.
10/10 for presentation but low scores for depth. Don't get me wrong, lots of cars and tracks etc. but there's only so much 'cars do laps in formation' that I can take. I know there's a big fanbase for GT out there, but I think there's plenty of racers with more soul for you to choose from.
Thats harsh?, GT5 is a very polished game/demo/trial?, (& i dont just mean the cars) even if you dont enjoy the game (i dont see how) you gotta admire the quality & love that its been put togther with?.
10/10 for presentation but low scores for depth. Don't get me wrong, lots of cars and tracks etc. but there's only so much 'cars do laps in formation' that I can take. I know there's a big fanbase for GT out there, but I think there's plenty of racers with more soul for you to choose from.
True, the cars do drive like they are on rails!?, but this is off topic...
Thats harsh?, GT5 is a very polished game/demo/trial?, (& i dont just mean the cars) even if you dont enjoy the game (i dont see how) you gotta admire the quality & love that its been put togther with?.
10/10 for presentation but low scores for depth. Don't get me wrong, lots of cars and tracks etc. but there's only so much 'cars do laps in formation' that I can take. I know there's a big fanbase for GT out there, but I think there's plenty of racers with more soul for you to choose from.
I think your getting the wrong end of the stick. No-one is disputing the reason why some folk don't like it as they are very vocal about it. I am saying that the game reeks of quality. It has been built with caring hands, instead of being cobbled together in a few months; NFS-FIFA-PROEVO-R6 VEGAS.
GT4, GT5, MGS, Gears of War2, Fable 2 and others are just well made games and you don't have to be a fan to appreciate this fact.
I'll be happy without DLC for GTA IV. The whole 360 package doesn't appeal to me and DLC wouldn't sway me towards it.
As for the fanboy rants,to say that MGS4 is going to be "the same movie as last time" is a bit of joke. MGS4 may have a complicated story that takes time to tell, but the combination of this well thought out story and the tight gameplay set it aside from the majority of games. Games like Halo may have no brainer plots and loads of action, but I'm more likely to replay MGS on PS1 than Halo on xbox, and that may make me weird in some peoples eyes, but I believe there is more to gaming than simply shooting things, and the MGS series has consistantly delivered that for years now.
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
what ever the sony guy says the dlc for the 360 is something extra to entice gamers to buy the game on 360 and NOT ps3. it doesnt matter how many people buy the dlc but how many buy the game on 360 because it gives them the option.
for what its worth i think sony would love to have the dlc, they just wont ever admit it.
what ever the sony guy says the dlc for the 360 is something extra to entice gamers to buy the game on 360 and NOT ps3. it doesnt matter how many people buy the dlc but how many buy the game on 360 because it gives them the option.
for what its worth i think sony would love to have the dlc, they just wont ever admit it.
They might love to have the DLC, but I dont think they'd love parting with 50 million for the privilage.
what ever the sony guy says the dlc for the 360 is something extra to entice gamers to buy the game on 360 and NOT ps3. it doesnt matter how many people buy the dlc but how many buy the game on 360 because it gives them the option.
Have a gold star for being the first to actually point this out.....they just want to get the biggest share of the main game sales - simple as that...
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
He is resting Sony's case on three(!) sequels, which is just absurd. The six best selling games on the PS2 were GTA, GT and MGS titles. Four of which sold more copies than there are currently PS3 consoles in circulation. The guy is an idiot. Considering Sony has very few original titles on the horizon, I really can't see what my next PS3 software purchase will be If LA Noire is really coming to the 360 (though I know nothing about it) then I might consider selling my PS3. Little Big Planet reeks of cheap entertainment to me. Hopefully GTA4 is big enough to sustain my interest until Christmas, and if not...I always have Fifa
there was an interview with one rockstar guy who said that the exclusive DLC will be about the size of san andreas...if so,that will certainly tip the scales...and i will be dreading trying to download that mother when everyone else is
For once, I think that there is a lot of truth in what this Sony guy is saying. The casual gamer won't give a monkeys about future dlc. Most of my mates don't read magazines or visit these sites but they all own consoles, whether it be 360 or ps3. All they are interested in is getting the game itself. I feel exactly the same.
Bwaaahahahahaha! Seriously, that's the best you Sony Fanzis can come up with?
No one is even sniffing the PS3 version because of the DLC on the 360. Keep living in your fantasy world, but those of us that can actually see through Sony's rather pathetic smoke screen know the score.
And the only reason the PS3 has (barely) outsold the 360 is because of the shortage of 360 systems in the marketplace. That's been resolved, and the price drop in Europe should help the 360 solidify it's second place showing this gen...
But I still keep coming back to the fact that the exclusivity deal is only for 6 months or so. Has anyone said yet whether or not the "exclusive" content will NEVER be released on PS3? I don't think they have, so it's entirely likely it'll appear on PS3 pre-Xmas.
Confirmed to be Microsoft exclusive for good. Rockstar never denied any multi-platform content, but made it clear that Microsoft were going to be getting their money's worth in content. the $50m it apparently cost Microsoft will have covered the GTA development almost entirely, and that's including the marketing budget. It wouldn't really make sense if they were to allow their paid-for content to be ported 6 months down the line now, would it?
Apparently each episode will be significant in content too, as said by a Rockstar rep. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft throws out some details of their exclusive content and any new features it brings this month, to throw people off buying the PS3 version.
Sony may see $50m for DLC as a silly investment, but then again, this is the same company which suffered massive financial losses little over a year ago (the lawsuits from rootkit, the massive battery recalls, the spiralling PS3 R&D costs, etc), to Microsoft, and Mr. Gates, this is barely pocket change. It's safe to assume they have already recouped the losses via Halo 3's and its hype machine.
there was an interview with one rockstar guy who said that the exclusive DLC will be about the size of san andreas...if so,that will certainly tip the scales...and i will be dreading trying to download that mother when everyone else is
someone on the xbox.com forums posted the link
here are the links..hope these work,i am on the ps3 browser(and it stinks)..and sorry no they arent interviews but blog messages,so i guess nothings official http://play.tm/wire/cluster/1760733
As a 360 owner I can also honestly say 'meh' to DLC.Still play San Andreas every now and then,even though it doesnt have any additional content.GTA is such as large and enertaining game that months from now even when the DLC is out,i'll probably still be playing the vanilla version.
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
Are you not doing the same by limiting my right to free expression?
i think sony are set to loose this one ,with regards to gaining sales at title launch ,i work in games retailer and i had a look a pre orders today for the company and 360 is selling 3 to 1to ps3
Extra content or no, GTAIV on the 360 is going to outsell the PS3 version 2 to 1. Analysts who are pridicting this aren't going out on a limb. That's pretty much how CoD4 has sold as well.
For once, I think that there is a lot of truth in what this Sony guy is saying. The casual gamer won't give a monkeys about future dlc. Most of my mates don't read magazines or visit these sites but they all own consoles, whether it be 360 or ps3. All they are interested in is getting the game itself. I feel exactly the same.
Bwaaahahahahaha! Seriously, that's the best you Sony Fanzis can come up with?
No one is even sniffing the PS3 version because of the DLC on the 360. Keep living in your fantasy world, but those of us that can actually see through Sony's rather pathetic smoke screen know the score.
And the only reason the PS3 has (barely) outsold the 360 is because of the shortage of 360 systems in the marketplace. That's been resolved, and the price drop in Europe should help the 360 solidify it's second place showing this gen...
Uhm, the PS3 is still outselling the 360 even after the price drop. The we have a a shortage argument is complete b******s - PS3 starts outselling them consistently since Nov 07 and we have a shortage is their excuse!??? Oh please... were some of you born yesterday????
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
Are you not doing the same by limiting my right to free expression?
Look, what you have to accept is that we don't just have 'freedom of speech' we also have the 'freedom of offence' meaning we are free to be offended by anything we want. He is free to call people gay, just like people are free to be offended by this, but everyone has different ideas of offence and speech, so where do we draw the line?
I could be offended by the word blue, but does that mean you have to reduce your freedom of speech by not saying blue, or do I have to reduce my freedom of offence to not be offended by the word blue?
For once, I think that there is a lot of truth in what this Sony guy is saying. The casual gamer won't give a monkeys about future dlc. Most of my mates don't read magazines or visit these sites but they all own consoles, whether it be 360 or ps3. All they are interested in is getting the game itself. I feel exactly the same.
Bwaaahahahahaha! Seriously, that's the best you Sony Fanzis can come up with?
No one is even sniffing the PS3 version because of the DLC on the 360. Keep living in your fantasy world, but those of us that can actually see through Sony's rather pathetic smoke screen know the score.
And the only reason the PS3 has (barely) outsold the 360 is because of the shortage of 360 systems in the marketplace. That's been resolved, and the price drop in Europe should help the 360 solidify it's second place showing this gen...
I think the guy makes a valid point. Most of my friends rarely go online with their consoles... if at all.
After getting so god awfully bored of previous incarnations of this franchise, I seriously doubt I'll be buying the dlc.
The only thing I would say is that you can't help feeling that Sony wouldn't be singing to this tune had they got hold of exclusive content.
As for MGS4 and GT5 being reasons to buy a PS3, I can't think of two less compelling reasons personally. I've lived quite happily without them since the PS1 so why would I bother now? The only thing they have in common with GTA4 is that they're over-rated franchises with little but cosmetic improvements from one iteration to the next.
Bwaaahahahahaha! Seriously, that's the best you Sony Fanzis can come up with?
One fanboy calling accusing another of being one. Is that what usually happens here?
I'm not interested in DLC for GTA no matter which format I play it on. It's the equivalent of paying extra money for a "special edition" DVD consisting of an extra disc of similar crap. Sure, it may be nice, but it's the core game that is the real product.
I'm not interested in DLC for GTA no matter which format I play it on. It's the equivalent of paying extra money for a "special edition" DVD consisting of an extra disc of similar crap. Sure, it may be nice, but it's the core game that is the real product.
I agree with you in principal, but unfortunately my heart usually wins over my head (I say as I look at my Master Chief helmet with a small sense of pride and self loathing)
The thing is, GTA IV is a system seller. Is someone who finally wants to join the current gen band waggon really going to buy a 360 over a ps3 because of DLC. My guess is no, it'll be the other games for each console that would decide it, so i regard all this as unimportant.
Also i have a feeling the DLC wont be too great, since the missions (which i presume will what the DLC will contain) aren't to great in my opinion. Maybe if it's add sometihng more than just new missions then yeah, but as it is, i have a feeling it'll blow.
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
Are you not doing the same by limiting my right to free expression?
Look, what you have to accept is that we don't just have 'freedom of speech' we also have the 'freedom of offence' meaning we are free to be offended by anything we want. He is free to call people gay, just like people are free to be offended by this, but everyone has different ideas of offence and speech, so where do we draw the line?
I could be offended by the word blue, but does that mean you have to reduce your freedom of speech by not saying blue, or do I have to reduce my freedom of offence to not be offended by the word blue?
That has to be the weakest argument I've ever read. What does calling someone a homosexual have to do with the word 'blue'? Using your logic means I can shout offensive abuse at asians and blacks. You see?
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
General public are buying more PS3's then 360's. I wonder why?..
Really? Last time I heard Xbox 360 sales were up by 36% and PS3 by 6% and before that there was only a slight lead by sony....maths has never been my strong point but even I can tell that this statement is nothing short of bottom.
I agree there really doesn't appear to be any exclusive PS3 titles in the works tht make me want to go out and buy a £300 1st gen blue ray player.
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
Are you not doing the same by limiting my right to free expression?
Look, what you have to accept is that we don't just have 'freedom of speech' we also have the 'freedom of offence' meaning we are free to be offended by anything we want. He is free to call people gay, just like people are free to be offended by this, but everyone has different ideas of offence and speech, so where do we draw the line?
I could be offended by the word blue, but does that mean you have to reduce your freedom of speech by not saying blue, or do I have to reduce my freedom of offence to not be offended by the word blue?
That has to be the weakest argument I've ever read. What does calling someone a homosexual have to do with the word 'blue'? Using your logic means I can shout offensive abuse at asians and blacks. You see?
Offense is all down to the victim. You can't offend someone without them willing to be offended. Those who are offended play an active role in being offended.
Look, when Galileo said the world was not flat, just about everyone else was offended by this. Many people were offended when Martin Luther King stood up for equal rights. Many people are still offended by the idea of 'evolution'. People used to be offended by homosexuality.
Come on, we're gamers here, we know how a lot of offence is just a big pain. Look at Jack Thompson, he is offended by video games and wants them banned. Giving into what people are offended by stifles are creativity, our romance. Thousands of people make complaints about almost every television show, film and computer game ever made! Should we admit that we cannot be creative without causing offence and give up any morsel of flair, passion and humour of which we still retain? Should we give up our courage to be different?
Although i loved the GTA games on my playstation and i love my PS3, im a huge fan of the GTA series and want the most from the game and in this case you get the most on the 360. If the content was on the ps3 aswell, i would have probably bought the game on PS3. So...for me i have to get this game on the 360. Sorry Sony.
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
Are you not doing the same by limiting my right to free expression?
Look, what you have to accept is that we don't just have 'freedom of speech' we also have the 'freedom of offence' meaning we are free to be offended by anything we want. He is free to call people gay, just like people are free to be offended by this, but everyone has different ideas of offence and speech, so where do we draw the line?
I could be offended by the word blue, but does that mean you have to reduce your freedom of speech by not saying blue, or do I have to reduce my freedom of offence to not be offended by the word blue?
That has to be the weakest argument I've ever read. What does calling someone a homosexual have to do with the word 'blue'? Using your logic means I can shout offensive abuse at asians and blacks. You see?
Offense is all down to the victim. You can't offend someone without them willing to be offended. Those who are offended play an active role in being offended.
Look, when Galileo said the world was not flat, just about everyone else was offended by this. Many people were offended when Martin Luther King stood up for equal rights. Many people are still offended by the idea of 'evolution'. People used to be offended by homosexuality.
Come on, we're gamers here, we know how a lot of offence is just a big pain. Look at Jack Thompson, he is offended by video games and wants them banned. Giving into what people are offended by stifles are creativity, our romance. Thousands of people make complaints about almost every television show, film and computer game ever made! Should we admit that we cannot be creative without causing offence and give up any morsel of flair, passion and humour of which we still retain? Should we give up our courage to be different?
Trouble was, everyone didn't think the Earth was flat. That's just an untruth thats been bandied around for some while now.
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
Are you not doing the same by limiting my right to free expression?
Look, what you have to accept is that we don't just have 'freedom of speech' we also have the 'freedom of offence' meaning we are free to be offended by anything we want. He is free to call people gay, just like people are free to be offended by this, but everyone has different ideas of offence and speech, so where do we draw the line?
I could be offended by the word blue, but does that mean you have to reduce your freedom of speech by not saying blue, or do I have to reduce my freedom of offence to not be offended by the word blue?
That has to be the weakest argument I've ever read. What does calling someone a homosexual have to do with the word 'blue'? Using your logic means I can shout offensive abuse at asians and blacks. You see?
Offense is all down to the victim. You can't offend someone without them willing to be offended. Those who are offended play an active role in being offended.
Look, when Galileo said the world was not flat, just about everyone else was offended by this. Many people were offended when Martin Luther King stood up for equal rights. Many people are still offended by the idea of 'evolution'. People used to be offended by homosexuality.
Come on, we're gamers here, we know how a lot of offence is just a big pain. Look at Jack Thompson, he is offended by video games and wants them banned. Giving into what people are offended by stifles are creativity, our romance. Thousands of people make complaints about almost every television show, film and computer game ever made! Should we admit that we cannot be creative without causing offence and give up any morsel of flair, passion and humour of which we still retain? Should we give up our courage to be different?
Trouble was, everyone didn't think the Earth was flat. That's just an untruth thats been bandied around for some while now.
Like druids have absolutely nothing to do with the construction of stonehenge, yet we have to allow them access otherwise we offend their beliefs. Luckily stonehenge has very little evidence as it's the binary opposition of woodhenge so they aren't disrupting too much apart from it's preservation (Or so Parker Pearson would have us believe).
I agree that anyone calling people 'gay boys' is a narrow minded little twerp. However, that is only because I have an opinion on gays. If I didn't care/know about gays then I wouldn't be offended by his comment. I can of course just ignore it. And that is my point. People abuse offence and speech. We need to ignore people who cry 'Oh that's offensive' about everything, just like we need to ignore people who spout homophobic/racist drivel all the time. They are both being narrow minded and are trying to force their opinions on everyone else. Ah such is the ongoing conflict that is humanity.
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
Are you not doing the same by limiting my right to free expression?
Look, what you have to accept is that we don't just have 'freedom of speech' we also have the 'freedom of offence' meaning we are free to be offended by anything we want. He is free to call people gay, just like people are free to be offended by this, but everyone has different ideas of offence and speech, so where do we draw the line?
I could be offended by the word blue, but does that mean you have to reduce your freedom of speech by not saying blue, or do I have to reduce my freedom of offence to not be offended by the word blue?
That has to be the weakest argument I've ever read. What does calling someone a homosexual have to do with the word 'blue'? Using your logic means I can shout offensive abuse at asians and blacks. You see?
Offense is all down to the victim. You can't offend someone without them willing to be offended. Those who are offended play an active role in being offended.
Look, when Galileo said the world was not flat, just about everyone else was offended by this. Many people were offended when Martin Luther King stood up for equal rights. Many people are still offended by the idea of 'evolution'. People used to be offended by homosexuality.
Come on, we're gamers here, we know how a lot of offence is just a big pain. Look at Jack Thompson, he is offended by video games and wants them banned. Giving into what people are offended by stifles are creativity, our romance. Thousands of people make complaints about almost every television show, film and computer game ever made! Should we admit that we cannot be creative without causing offence and give up any morsel of flair, passion and humour of which we still retain? Should we give up our courage to be different?
Trouble was, everyone didn't think the Earth was flat. That's just an untruth thats been bandied around for some while now.
LOL I'm just continuing this to see visually what all these quotes crammed into sqaures will look like...
By heck, this thread is going on a bit.. I shall have to add another sony fboy comment, well you know that well yeah but no but..
But seriously im looking foward to gta on my ps3 at the end of the month(have to find money though), let all of us as owners of the 2 actual next gen consoles enjoy the fun of bashing a prostitute to death in broad daylight for some floating dollars..
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
Metal gear just looked like fianl fantasy spirits within film - that was released in 2001 the ps3 looks really really expensive now due to this price drop with the xbox 360 arcade from just £150 why would you buy a ps3 -for blu ray??
Anyways back to the topic - ive never bought any microsoft points but i will defo buy these extra gta stories and even people with ps3 are getting the 360 version due to the extra stories - plus the achievements
I'll be buying a PS3 for MGS4. I own a 360 and currently love it. I like the sound of this downloadable content. I'll probably buy it on the 360 because, a) I'll have only a 360 at the time and, b) I love the achievments system on the 360.
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
Are you not doing the same by limiting my right to free expression?
Look, what you have to accept is that we don't just have 'freedom of speech' we also have the 'freedom of offence' meaning we are free to be offended by anything we want. He is free to call people gay, just like people are free to be offended by this, but everyone has different ideas of offence and speech, so where do we draw the line?
I could be offended by the word blue, but does that mean you have to reduce your freedom of speech by not saying blue, or do I have to reduce my freedom of offence to not be offended by the word blue?
That has to be the weakest argument I've ever read. What does calling someone a homosexual have to do with the word 'blue'? Using your logic means I can shout offensive abuse at asians and blacks. You see?
Offense is all down to the victim. You can't offend someone without them willing to be offended. Those who are offended play an active role in being offended.
Look, when Galileo said the world was not flat, just about everyone else was offended by this. Many people were offended when Martin Luther King stood up for equal rights. Many people are still offended by the idea of 'evolution'. People used to be offended by homosexuality.
Come on, we're gamers here, we know how a lot of offence is just a big pain. Look at Jack Thompson, he is offended by video games and wants them banned. Giving into what people are offended by stifles are creativity, our romance. Thousands of people make complaints about almost every television show, film and computer game ever made! Should we admit that we cannot be creative without causing offence and give up any morsel of flair, passion and humour of which we still retain? Should we give up our courage to be different?
Trouble was, everyone didn't think the Earth was flat. That's just an untruth thats been bandied around for some while now.
LOL I'm just continuing this to see visually what all these quotes crammed into sqaures will look like...
What an excellent idea! It looks rather pretty I think!
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
Are you not doing the same by limiting my right to free expression?
Look, what you have to accept is that we don't just have 'freedom of speech' we also have the 'freedom of offence' meaning we are free to be offended by anything we want. He is free to call people gay, just like people are free to be offended by this, but everyone has different ideas of offence and speech, so where do we draw the line?
I could be offended by the word blue, but does that mean you have to reduce your freedom of speech by not saying blue, or do I have to reduce my freedom of offence to not be offended by the word blue?
That has to be the weakest argument I've ever read. What does calling someone a homosexual have to do with the word 'blue'? Using your logic means I can shout offensive abuse at asians and blacks. You see?
Offense is all down to the victim. You can't offend someone without them willing to be offended. Those who are offended play an active role in being offended.
Look, when Galileo said the world was not flat, just about everyone else was offended by this. Many people were offended when Martin Luther King stood up for equal rights. Many people are still offended by the idea of 'evolution'. People used to be offended by homosexuality.
Come on, we're gamers here, we know how a lot of offence is just a big pain. Look at Jack Thompson, he is offended by video games and wants them banned. Giving into what people are offended by stifles are creativity, our romance. Thousands of people make complaints about almost every television show, film and computer game ever made! Should we admit that we cannot be creative without causing offence and give up any morsel of flair, passion and humour of which we still retain? Should we give up our courage to be different?
Trouble was, everyone didn't think the Earth was flat. That's just an untruth thats been bandied around for some while now.
LOL I'm just continuing this to see visually what all these quotes crammed into sqaures will look like...
What an excellent idea! It looks rather pretty I think!
lmao,i cant help but make it worse
Anyways, amongst your fanboy rants i just say lucky b**tards, we dont get it on PC for 6 months, but i just say kudos
ffcoppolla - the world is flat you just think youre 3D
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
Are you not doing the same by limiting my right to free expression?
Look, what you have to accept is that we don't just have 'freedom of speech' we also have the 'freedom of offence' meaning we are free to be offended by anything we want. He is free to call people gay, just like people are free to be offended by this, but everyone has different ideas of offence and speech, so where do we draw the line?
I could be offended by the word blue, but does that mean you have to reduce your freedom of speech by not saying blue, or do I have to reduce my freedom of offence to not be offended by the word blue?
That has to be the weakest argument I've ever read. What does calling someone a homosexual have to do with the word 'blue'? Using your logic means I can shout offensive abuse at asians and blacks. You see?
Offense is all down to the victim. You can't offend someone without them willing to be offended. Those who are offended play an active role in being offended.
Look, when Galileo said the world was not flat, just about everyone else was offended by this. Many people were offended when Martin Luther King stood up for equal rights. Many people are still offended by the idea of 'evolution'. People used to be offended by homosexuality.
Come on, we're gamers here, we know how a lot of offence is just a big pain. Look at Jack Thompson, he is offended by video games and wants them banned. Giving into what people are offended by stifles are creativity, our romance. Thousands of people make complaints about almost every television show, film and computer game ever made! Should we admit that we cannot be creative without causing offence and give up any morsel of flair, passion and humour of which we still retain? Should we give up our courage to be different?
Trouble was, everyone didn't think the Earth was flat. That's just an untruth thats been bandied around for some while now.
LOL I'm just continuing this to see visually what all these quotes crammed into sqaures will look like...
What an excellent idea! It looks rather pretty I think!
lmao,i cant help but make it worse
Anyways, amongst your fanboy rants i just say lucky b**tards, we dont get it on PC for 6 months, but i just say kudos
ffcoppolla - the world is flat you just think youre 3D
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
Are you not doing the same by limiting my right to free expression?
Look, what you have to accept is that we don't just have 'freedom of speech' we also have the 'freedom of offence' meaning we are free to be offended by anything we want. He is free to call people gay, just like people are free to be offended by this, but everyone has different ideas of offence and speech, so where do we draw the line?
I could be offended by the word blue, but does that mean you have to reduce your freedom of speech by not saying blue, or do I have to reduce my freedom of offence to not be offended by the word blue?
That has to be the weakest argument I've ever read. What does calling someone a homosexual have to do with the word 'blue'? Using your logic means I can shout offensive abuse at asians and blacks. You see?
Offense is all down to the victim. You can't offend someone without them willing to be offended. Those who are offended play an active role in being offended.
Look, when Galileo said the world was not flat, just about everyone else was offended by this. Many people were offended when Martin Luther King stood up for equal rights. Many people are still offended by the idea of 'evolution'. People used to be offended by homosexuality.
Come on, we're gamers here, we know how a lot of offence is just a big pain. Look at Jack Thompson, he is offended by video games and wants them banned. Giving into what people are offended by stifles are creativity, our romance. Thousands of people make complaints about almost every television show, film and computer game ever made! Should we admit that we cannot be creative without causing offence and give up any morsel of flair, passion and humour of which we still retain? Should we give up our courage to be different?
Trouble was, everyone didn't think the Earth was flat. That's just an untruth thats been bandied around for some while now.
LOL I'm just continuing this to see visually what all these quotes crammed into sqaures will look like...
What an excellent idea! It looks rather pretty I think!
lmao,i cant help but make it worse
Anyways, amongst your fanboy rants i just say lucky b**tards, we dont get it on PC for 6 months, but i just say kudos
ffcoppolla - the world is flat you just think youre 3D
I'm not sure i understand the relevance of GT5 & MGS to this conversation. Seems to me the Sony guy has said "download content isn't really important to GTA...(internal thought "now how do i justify that the Sony experience will be the same as the 360 one... damn i can't.. say something to distract the obvious how question quick"... and anyway we have GT5 & MGS". Next we'll have MS coming out saying yeah we have GTA and Fable etc. It's rubbish. So focus on the one game GTA and the bottom line is even if no one buys the dlc you could potentially it seems at the moment have a fuller GTA experience on the 360. Personally i'll be getting it on the 360 because that's my console of choice and you all feel free to get it on whichever platform you want but i suspect your deceiving yourself if you think that the prospect of dlc on the 360 version won't have an impact on sales.
On a side note what did everyone think of housers ideas for dlc? I thought it sounded very funky.
I dont really care much for the DLC either, my feelings for the game will long since passed when the DLC comes out, and with gaming moving so fast we'll mostly all be onto the next best thing and wont be interested in GTA.
Still being a gamer and a consumer I think it's always best to have a choice of what you want, if your luckly enough to have both consoles I think most people may go for the 360 version just incase the DLC blows you away and is a must have exp. But honestly I can't see it though and would expect a few extra missions at best!
Incorrect, I had it on both. Vice City came out a 6-12 months on Xbox after PS2 and was a more polished product. It did have better graphics and played the same.
DLC will most likely come out on PS3 after Christmas. I had not seen the SAN AN size quote before, just on what Dan Houser had said in an interview.
DLC has to be worth buying. I have completed four GTA's to 100%, but still not convinced about the DLC.
The only thing they have in common with GTA4 is that they're over-rated franchises with little but cosmetic improvements from one iteration to the next.
I'm sorry, have you actually ever played a Grand Theft Auto game? That is one of the most incorrect comments I have ever read.
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
What a c*ck!
Care to elaborate on why? Nice of you to put your age in your screen name though.
For once, I think that there is a lot of truth in what this Sony guy is saying. The casual gamer won't give a monkeys about future dlc. Most of my mates don't read magazines or visit these sites but they all own consoles, whether it be 360 or ps3. All they are interested in is getting the game itself. I feel exactly the same.
Bwaaahahahahaha! Seriously, that's the best you Sony Fanzis can come up with?
No one is even sniffing the PS3 version because of the DLC on the 360. Keep living in your fantasy world, but those of us that can actually see through Sony's rather pathetic smoke screen know the score.
And the only reason the PS3 has (barely) outsold the 360 is because of the shortage of 360 systems in the marketplace. That's been resolved, and the price drop in Europe should help the 360 solidify it's second place showing this gen...
Uhm, the PS3 is still outselling the 360 even after the price drop. The we have a a shortage argument is complete b******s - PS3 starts outselling them consistently since Nov 07 and we have a shortage is their excuse!??? Oh please... were some of you born yesterday????
It'd be good if you could link to the evidence of this because January was the first month the PS3 outsold the 360 and that only lasted for 1 month (or 2 depending on the figures you read).
For once, I think that there is a lot of truth in what this Sony guy is saying. The casual gamer won't give a monkeys about future dlc. Most of my mates don't read magazines or visit these sites but they all own consoles, whether it be 360 or ps3. All they are interested in is getting the game itself. I feel exactly the same.
Bwaaahahahahaha! Seriously, that's the best you Sony Fanzis can come up with?
No one is even sniffing the PS3 version because of the DLC on the 360. Keep living in your fantasy world, but those of us that can actually see through Sony's rather pathetic smoke screen know the score.
And the only reason the PS3 has (barely) outsold the 360 is because of the shortage of 360 systems in the marketplace. That's been resolved, and the price drop in Europe should help the 360 solidify it's second place showing this gen...
Uhm, the PS3 is still outselling the 360 even after the price drop. The we have a a shortage argument is complete b******s - PS3 starts outselling them consistently since Nov 07 and we have a shortage is their excuse!??? Oh please... were some of you born yesterday????
It'd be good if you could link to the evidence of this because January was the first month the PS3 outsold the 360 and that only lasted for 1 month (or 2 depending on the figures you read).
The figures i think you are talking about are the NPD ones from america. I think he may be right because of Xbox equalling nothing in Japan and for some reason us europeans preferring the PS3 recently. It has been on top for a few months now even after the price drop in europe (took it long enough though!)
For once, I think that there is a lot of truth in what this Sony guy is saying. The casual gamer won't give a monkeys about future dlc. Most of my mates don't read magazines or visit these sites but they all own consoles, whether it be 360 or ps3. All they are interested in is getting the game itself. I feel exactly the same.
Bwaaahahahahaha! Seriously, that's the best you Sony Fanzis can come up with?
No one is even sniffing the PS3 version because of the DLC on the 360. Keep living in your fantasy world, but those of us that can actually see through Sony's rather pathetic smoke screen know the score.
And the only reason the PS3 has (barely) outsold the 360 is because of the shortage of 360 systems in the marketplace. That's been resolved, and the price drop in Europe should help the 360 solidify it's second place showing this gen...
Uhm, the PS3 is still outselling the 360 even after the price drop. The we have a a shortage argument is complete b******s - PS3 starts outselling them consistently since Nov 07 and we have a shortage is their excuse!??? Oh please... were some of you born yesterday????
It'd be good if you could link to the evidence of this because January was the first month the PS3 outsold the 360 and that only lasted for 1 month (or 2 depending on the figures you read).
And PS3 is still outselling the 360 for the second consecutive month and to their credit GT5 Prologue has stormed the charts. I think thats pretty commendable.
Considering theres more gamers offline than online its interesting to see whose really going to benefit from any episodic DLC, if you're an offline gamer, it really will make no difference whichever GTA you own and they'll be simply just interested in the basic game. And lets face it, even with online multiplayer the PS3 version still offers a substantial game.
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
Are you not doing the same by limiting my right to free expression?
Look, what you have to accept is that we don't just have 'freedom of speech' we also have the 'freedom of offence' meaning we are free to be offended by anything we want. He is free to call people gay, just like people are free to be offended by this, but everyone has different ideas of offence and speech, so where do we draw the line?
I could be offended by the word blue, but does that mean you have to reduce your freedom of speech by not saying blue, or do I have to reduce my freedom of offence to not be offended by the word blue?
That has to be the weakest argument I've ever read. What does calling someone a homosexual have to do with the word 'blue'? Using your logic means I can shout offensive abuse at asians and blacks. You see?
Offense is all down to the victim. You can't offend someone without them willing to be offended. Those who are offended play an active role in being offended.
Look, when Galileo said the world was not flat, just about everyone else was offended by this. Many people were offended when Martin Luther King stood up for equal rights. Many people are still offended by the idea of 'evolution'. People used to be offended by homosexuality.
Come on, we're gamers here, we know how a lot of offence is just a big pain. Look at Jack Thompson, he is offended by video games and wants them banned. Giving into what people are offended by stifles are creativity, our romance. Thousands of people make complaints about almost every television show, film and computer game ever made! Should we admit that we cannot be creative without causing offence and give up any morsel of flair, passion and humour of which we still retain? Should we give up our courage to be different?
Trouble was, everyone didn't think the Earth was flat. That's just an untruth thats been bandied around for some while now.
LOL I'm just continuing this to see visually what all these quotes crammed into sqaures will look like...
What an excellent idea! It looks rather pretty I think!
lmao,i cant help but make it worse
Anyways, amongst your fanboy rants i just say lucky b**tards, we dont get it on PC for 6 months, but i just say kudos
ffcoppolla - the world is flat you just think youre 3D
EDIT: Lmao, thats a beast to behold
Well we can't stop now.
*Does his part for the website*
This is going really well, it looks better and better, this should be included in GTA
For once, I think that there is a lot of truth in what this Sony guy is saying. The casual gamer won't give a monkeys about future dlc. Most of my mates don't read magazines or visit these sites but they all own consoles, whether it be 360 or ps3. All they are interested in is getting the game itself. I feel exactly the same.
Bwaaahahahahaha! Seriously, that's the best you Sony Fanzis can come up with?
No one is even sniffing the PS3 version because of the DLC on the 360. Keep living in your fantasy world, but those of us that can actually see through Sony's rather pathetic smoke screen know the score.
And the only reason the PS3 has (barely) outsold the 360 is because of the shortage of 360 systems in the marketplace. That's been resolved, and the price drop in Europe should help the 360 solidify it's second place showing this gen...
Uhm, the PS3 is still outselling the 360 even after the price drop. The we have a a shortage argument is complete b******s - PS3 starts outselling them consistently since Nov 07 and we have a shortage is their excuse!??? Oh please... were some of you born yesterday????
It'd be good if you could link to the evidence of this because January was the first month the PS3 outsold the 360 and that only lasted for 1 month (or 2 depending on the figures you read).
And PS3 is still outselling the 360 for the second consecutive month and to their credit GT5 Prologue has stormed the charts. I think thats pretty commendable.
Considering theres more gamers offline than online its interesting to see whose really going to benefit from any episodic DLC, if you're an offline gamer, it really will make no difference whichever GTA you own and they'll be simply just interested in the basic game. And lets face it, even with online multiplayer the PS3 version still offers a substantial game.
What's all this talk about "still offers a substantial game"? The Sony exec mentioned it...sounds like the 360 and PS3 version are different. Is anyone under the illusion that the games are different straight out of the box?
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
Are you not doing the same by limiting my right to free expression?
Look, what you have to accept is that we don't just have 'freedom of speech' we also have the 'freedom of offence' meaning we are free to be offended by anything we want. He is free to call people gay, just like people are free to be offended by this, but everyone has different ideas of offence and speech, so where do we draw the line?
I could be offended by the word blue, but does that mean you have to reduce your freedom of speech by not saying blue, or do I have to reduce my freedom of offence to not be offended by the word blue?
That has to be the weakest argument I've ever read. What does calling someone a homosexual have to do with the word 'blue'? Using your logic means I can shout offensive abuse at asians and blacks. You see?
Offense is all down to the victim. You can't offend someone without them willing to be offended. Those who are offended play an active role in being offended.
Look, when Galileo said the world was not flat, just about everyone else was offended by this. Many people were offended when Martin Luther King stood up for equal rights. Many people are still offended by the idea of 'evolution'. People used to be offended by homosexuality.
Come on, we're gamers here, we know how a lot of offence is just a big pain. Look at Jack Thompson, he is offended by video games and wants them banned. Giving into what people are offended by stifles are creativity, our romance. Thousands of people make complaints about almost every television show, film and computer game ever made! Should we admit that we cannot be creative without causing offence and give up any morsel of flair, passion and humour of which we still retain? Should we give up our courage to be different?
Trouble was, everyone didn't think the Earth was flat. That's just an untruth thats been bandied around for some while now.
LOL I'm just continuing this to see visually what all these quotes crammed into sqaures will look like...
What an excellent idea! It looks rather pretty I think!
lmao,i cant help but make it worse
Anyways, amongst your fanboy rants i just say lucky b**tards, we dont get it on PC for 6 months, but i just say kudos
ffcoppolla - the world is flat you just think youre 3D
EDIT: Lmao, thats a beast to behold
Well we can't stop now.
*Does his part for the website*
This is going really well, it looks better and better, this should be included in GTA
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
Are you not doing the same by limiting my right to free expression?
Look, what you have to accept is that we don't just have 'freedom of speech' we also have the 'freedom of offence' meaning we are free to be offended by anything we want. He is free to call people gay, just like people are free to be offended by this, but everyone has different ideas of offence and speech, so where do we draw the line?
I could be offended by the word blue, but does that mean you have to reduce your freedom of speech by not saying blue, or do I have to reduce my freedom of offence to not be offended by the word blue?
Never have and never will pay for DLC on any system; now if it's free I'll happily downloaded it but if I have to pay if won't effect what system I get a game for whether gta4 or any other game.
The one excpetion to this are games like guitar hero and singstar etc...
How many people are actually still sitting on the fence so to speak. Is there anyone honestly here, still umming an ahhing about which console to go for?
I therefore think its going to take hell of lot more than a couple of exclusive titles (DLC or no) to convince a gamer who already has a console (wii/Xbox/ps3) to go out and buy another one. I doubt any would jump of the fence for couple of games!
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
Are you not doing the same by limiting my right to free expression?
Look, what you have to accept is that we don't just have 'freedom of speech' we also have the 'freedom of offence' meaning we are free to be offended by anything we want. He is free to call people gay, just like people are free to be offended by this, but everyone has different ideas of offence and speech, so where do we draw the line?
I could be offended by the word blue, but does that mean you have to reduce your freedom of speech by not saying blue, or do I have to reduce my freedom of offence to not be offended by the word blue?
That has to be the weakest argument I've ever read. What does calling someone a homosexual have to do with the word 'blue'? Using your logic means I can shout offensive abuse at asians and blacks. You see?
Offense is all down to the victim. You can't offend someone without them willing to be offended. Those who are offended play an active role in being offended.
Look, when Galileo said the world was not flat, just about everyone else was offended by this. Many people were offended when Martin Luther King stood up for equal rights. Many people are still offended by the idea of 'evolution'. People used to be offended by homosexuality.
Come on, we're gamers here, we know how a lot of offence is just a big pain. Look at Jack Thompson, he is offended by video games and wants them banned. Giving into what people are offended by stifles are creativity, our romance. Thousands of people make complaints about almost every television show, film and computer game ever made! Should we admit that we cannot be creative without causing offence and give up any morsel of flair, passion and humour of which we still retain? Should we give up our courage to be different?
Trouble was, everyone didn't think the Earth was flat. That's just an untruth thats been bandied around for some while now.
LOL I'm just continuing this to see visually what all these quotes crammed into sqaures will look like...
What an excellent idea! It looks rather pretty I think!
lmao,i cant help but make it worse
Anyways, amongst your fanboy rants i just say lucky b**tards, we dont get it on PC for 6 months, but i just say kudos
ffcoppolla - the world is flat you just think youre 3D
EDIT: Lmao, thats a beast to behold
Well we can't stop now.
*Does his part for the website*
This is going really well, it looks better and better, this should be included in GTA
Damn right it should. Maybe as DLC?
Nah scrap that they should just put a full web browser in the computers In-Game so you can come here.
Oh wait, 360 can't view the internet can it.
No that reply wasn't worthy of typing but the quote box looks so kool
General public so far says "meh" to PS3 so that's quite apt. Is it just me that thinks GT5 (due next year) and MGS4 (a glorified interactive cut-scene) are the only games they have up their sleeve?
If GT5 is anything like the Prologue then I can't see it as system seller. It is bland and very unexciting. It's backgrounds look a little better than Forza but that is only due to their non-track setting. MGS4 is possibly going to be the same movie as the last 2 (although I would like to be proved wrong) so yet another boring game. Why did they not mention Little big planet (possibly the only game on the horizon that tempts me into getting a PS3)?
dont be a gay boy all your life
Don't be such a homophobic little snooker cue all your life.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
I agree but in saying that are you not obstructing someones right to free expression? Perhaps we should let people make as many stupid comments as they like. It only reflects badly on the people who make the comments. The rest of us can see they're talking s**t anyway.
Are you not doing the same by limiting my right to free expression?
Look, what you have to accept is that we don't just have 'freedom of speech' we also have the 'freedom of offence' meaning we are free to be offended by anything we want. He is free to call people gay, just like people are free to be offended by this, but everyone has different ideas of offence and speech, so where do we draw the line?
I could be offended by the word blue, but does that mean you have to reduce your freedom of speech by not saying blue, or do I have to reduce my freedom of offence to not be offended by the word blue?
That has to be the weakest argument I've ever read. What does calling someone a homosexual have to do with the word 'blue'? Using your logic means I can shout offensive abuse at asians and blacks. You see?
Offense is all down to the victim. You can't offend someone without them willing to be offended. Those who are offended play an active role in being offended.
Look, when Galileo said the world was not flat, just about everyone else was offended by this. Many people were offended when Martin Luther King stood up for equal rights. Many people are still offended by the idea of 'evolution'. People used to be offended by homosexuality.
Come on, we're gamers here, we know how a lot of offence is just a big pain. Look at Jack Thompson, he is offended by video games and wants them banned. Giving into what people are offended by stifles are creativity, our romance. Thousands of people make complaints about almost every television show, film and computer game ever made! Should we admit that we cannot be creative without causing offence and give up any morsel of flair, passion and humour of which we still retain? Should we give up our courage to be different?
Trouble was, everyone didn't think the Earth was flat. That's just an untruth thats been bandied around for some while now.
LOL I'm just continuing this to see visually what all these quotes crammed into sqaures will look like...
What an excellent idea! It looks rather pretty I think!
lmao,i cant help but make it worse
Anyways, amongst your fanboy rants i just say lucky b**tards, we dont get it on PC for 6 months, but i just say kudos
ffcoppolla - the world is flat you just think youre 3D
EDIT: Lmao, thats a beast to behold
Well we can't stop now.
*Does his part for the website*
This is going really well, it looks better and better, this should be included in GTA
Damn right it should. Maybe as DLC?
Nah scrap that they should just put a full web browser in the computers In-Game so you can come here.
Oh wait, 360 can't view the internet can it.
No that reply wasn't worthy of typing but the quote box looks so kool
People will get it for the system of their choosing, if you wont dlc then get it for the 360 if not then you could get it for the 360 and not get it or go for the ps3 version
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Couldn't have put it better myself. Homophobic comments have no place in the modern world.
