A recently-released trailer for THQ's Saint's Row 2 has been criticised as being "unusually pompous" for its digs at Grand Theft Auto IV.
Janco Partners' Mike Hickey commented on the trailer, which makes fun of GTA's in-game social activities like bowling, watching TV and going to a cabaret club.
"The trailer directly attacks Grand Theft Auto IV in game content, an unusually pompous position in our view, considering GTA IV is estimated to be the highest grossing 1st week entertainment release of all time," said Hickey, also pointing out GTA IV's review scores topping Metacritic scores for both PS3 and 360.
The trailer asks if you'd rather go bowling - with the distinct GTA text font - or do other "crazy shit" possible in SR2 which, it insinuates, is far more exciting.
"We remain conservative on our sales expectations for Saint's Row 2," added Hickey, "in light of mediocre game previews and a delayed release in-part from quality concerns," according to Gamasutra.
Saint's Row 2 was pushed back from August 26 to October 14 due to product quality and marketing considerations.
Let them be as pompous as they want. It's only born through jealousy as they know they will never match the vastly superior GTA series. Jealousy breeds contempt - well known fact! THQ deserve for this game to be a flop, just for their sheer cheek.
R* will rubbing their hands with glee with all this extra exposure their game is getting.
In saying that though R* are noted as passing comment on all things popular over the last few years and taking the p**s right out of anything it wants(check out the Halo cartoon on the TV in GTA IV).
There not exempt from a bit of a p**s take, no one is.
Good on THQ thats what I say, you cant beat a bit of office banter and this seems to be what this is.
In saying that though R* are noted as passing comment on all things popular over the last few years and taking the p**s right out of anything it wants
Rockstar are not above ripping the p**s out of the competition, no doubt. Then again they DO have the sales figures, review scores and almost universal admiration to get away with it. Some s**tty GTA clone taking the p**s out of GTA is a s**tty GTA clone with ideas far above it's s**tty station.
(check out the Halo cartoon on the TV in GTA IV).
Yeah, I think you missed the point of Republican Space Commandos. Do you follow the news?
In saying that though R* are noted as passing comment on all things popular over the last few years and taking the p**s right out of anything it wants
Rockstar are not above ripping the p**s out of the competition, no doubt. Then again they DO have the sales figures, review scores and almost universal admiration to get away with it. Some s**tty GTA clone taking the p**s out of GTA is a s**tty GTA clone with ideas far above it's s**tty station.
(check out the Halo cartoon on the TV in GTA IV).
Yeah, I think you missed the point of Republican Space Commandos. Do you follow the news?
A better example is the mission where you have to kill the guy from DRIVER. It says you can recognise him by his funny walk.
In saying that though R* are noted as passing comment on all things popular over the last few years and taking the p**s right out of anything it wants
Rockstar are not above ripping the p**s out of the competition, no doubt. Then again they DO have the sales figures, review scores and almost universal admiration to get away with it. Some s**tty GTA clone taking the p**s out of GTA is a s**tty GTA clone with ideas far above it's s**tty station.
(check out the Halo cartoon on the TV in GTA IV).
Yeah, I think you missed the point of Republican Space Commandos. Do you follow the news?
Yes, I do follow the news and yes there are many ways in whcih you could take the cartoon and who there taking the p**s out of, Halo being a deffo, The Republican Party feck America in general.
I rememeber hearing of R* being a bit p**sed off with a pastiche of GTA in a Simpsons game a few years ago.
I dont think we should be getting annoyed over a trailer for a game, do you?
I love seeing all the GTA fanboys lashing out, its quite hilarious. And they say its the Saints Row developers that are jealous? More like the GTA fanboys are missing what GTA brought the genre...
Saints Row 2 will simply be more fun than GTA IV. And that is a fact mainly because it does every San Andreas did and multiplies it by a large amount.
We know that Saints Row is a GTA 'clone' but the fanboys seem to ignore the fact that over half of GTA IV's new features were ripped directly from Saints Row. At least Volition have been evolving the genre with their own ideas, whilst Rockstar are backpeddling and removing loads of gameplay functions.
And before anybody hates on me, I'm a huge GTA IV fan. Nothing beats the way they did the story, adding it into the gameplay through the phone (which was done first in Saints Row) - I'm not desputing that GTA IV is a great game.
I love seeing all the GTA fanboys lashing out, its quite hilarious.
Saints Row 2 will simply be more fun than GTA IV. And that is a fact mainly because it does every San Andreas did and multiplies it by a large amount.
We know that Saints Row is a GTA 'clone' but the fanboys seem to ignore the fact that over half of GTA IV's new features were ripped directly from Saints Row. At least Volition have been evolving the genre with their own ideas, whilst Rockstar are backpeddling and removing loads of gameplay functions.
And before anybody hates on me, I'm a huge GTA IV fan. Nothing beats the way they did the story, adding it into the gameplay through the phone (which was done first in Saints Row) - I'm not desputing that GTA IV is a great game.
In saying that though R* are noted as passing comment on all things popular over the last few years and taking the p**s right out of anything it wants
Rockstar are not above ripping the p**s out of the competition, no doubt. Then again they DO have the sales figures, review scores and almost universal admiration to get away with it. Some s**tty GTA clone taking the p**s out of GTA is a s**tty GTA clone with ideas far above it's s**tty station.
(check out the Halo cartoon on the TV in GTA IV).
Yeah, I think you missed the point of Republican Space Commandos. Do you follow the news?
A better example is the mission where you have to kill the guy from DRIVER. It says you can recognise him by his funny walk.
or hows about the True Grime billboards plastered all over the place. at least when R* do it its done tongue in cheek and they aren't above taking the p**s out themselves either. saint row2 will be a poor copy of gta with the emphasis on big explosions. might be a great game but whats going to be going through the back of your mind is "its not gta".
might be a great game but whats going to be going through the back of your mind is "its not gta".
You keep saying that, but seriously - change the record. When was the last time you played a FPS and thought in the back of your mind "its not Wolfenstein 3D"?
People that are latching onto GTA and protecting it with every fibre of their being need to get a grip. This is a business - its an industry. Gaming needs variety. It needs options. If you love GTA so much, you should be happy that there are other games out there that play in a similar way.
If we just had one GTA game every 2 or 3 years, I know I'd personally be wanting more. And thats what games like Saints Row, Just Cause and Crackdown are offering - more games in the same genre.
Why is it that you think GTA should be the ONLY free-roaming urban game? That's a very silly thing to think/want.
Just because something was first out the gate doesnt always mean its the best or should not be improved upon. GTA IV was actually a very out-dated experience in terms of general gameplay.
As I already said, I love the game - but I was expecting a lot more. It was seriously like playing GTA: Liberty City Stores with nicer graphics and physics. Theres nothing in GTA IV that wasnt already done in that game.
might be a great game but whats going to be going through the back of your mind is "its not gta".
You keep saying that, but seriously - change the record. When was the last time you played a FPS and thought in the back of your mind "its not Wolfenstein 3D"?
People that are latching onto GTA and protecting it with every fibre of their being need to get a grip. This is a business - its an industry. Gaming needs variety. It needs options. If you love GTA so much, you should be happy that there are other games out there that play in a similar way.
If we just had one GTA game every 2 or 3 years, I know I'd personally be wanting more. And thats what games like Saints Row, Just Cause and Crackdown are offering - more games in the same genre.
Why is it that you think GTA should be the ONLY free-roaming urban game? That's a very silly thing to think.
i thank f**k that every fps i've played doesn't remind me of wolfenstien. that was a pretty s**te example to use. gta has been the pinnacle of the sanbox game for years. its gonna have to take something really special to knock it off its perch. crackdown was a great game and just cause was good too. the original saints row had some great ideas, which gta have used, but the control system and some really bad pop up just ruined it for me. plus it tried to be gta with the radio stations and they were just not funny at all. look at the other 2 games you've mentioned, both used a similar control system to gta for the driving sections at least, plus they didn't try to make the radio a gta clone either, and the games were better for it. if SR2 overhauls its control scheme and tries something original with the sounds it may surpass gta. but i just don't see it happening and at what point have i said that gta should be the only free roaming urban game. as ive already said i enjoyed some of the other games. i even had true crime for the ps2. i am happy that other games try and surpass gta cause it gives us more to select from but i just don't think saints row is that good. thats just my opinion, your entitled to yours.
I realise its your opinion but you sound like a fanboy simply by saying SR is s**t because its not GTA.
I'm not going to list the things Saints Row does that GTA doesnt, because a quick search (and even just a look at this 'controversial' trailer) will give you more than enough information.
Personally I'd rather have much more gaming content over a gritty realistic story. Saints Row, for me, is the best in the genre right now. I really dont care for stats or sales figures, because they mean nothing to anybody but the publishers and creators of the games - the analyst that brought that up makes no point whatsoever with it.
You can say that GTA is 'the pinnacle' of sandbox games, but I can say you're dead wrong. It was the first, but it's a long way off being the 'best' in any respect - if we're talking GTA IV, that is.
It has the best story, the best graphics and the best immersion - but for what we play games for (the gameplay) it has nothing on Saints Row.
By the way, you mention the controls? GTA IV has Saints Row's controls but they added a lock-on feature. How exactly can you rubbish SR's controls, then? You're using them in GTA IV.
And besides, I'm curious as to how else you think a game can implement driving controls... apart from Y/Triangle to steal a car, GTA copied every racing game that came before it. Oh and it then copied the free-aiming aspect whilst driving from Saints Row.
Saints Row 2 will clearly not have the same level of sales as GTA, but will be successful simply because it is NOT GTA.
GTA had a huge number of 1st week sales, but given the volume of preowned copies flooding games stores and eBay, a hell of a lot of 1st and 2nd week returns or resells.
When a game was hyped like GTA IV was, it was destined to disappoint. It still has a hardcore fan base that love it, but the general public appear to have found it to be repetitive, with nothing that pushed the boundaries or broke new ground.
I realise its your opinion but you sound like a fanboy simply by saying SR is s**t because its not GTA.
I'm not going to list the things Saints Row does that GTA doesnt, because a quick search (and even just a look at this 'controversial' trailer) will give you more than enough information.
Personally I'd rather have much more gaming content over a gritty realistic story. Saints Row, for me, is the best in the genre right now. I really dont care for stats or sales figures, because they mean nothing to anybody but the publishers and creators of the games - the analyst that brought that up makes no point whatsoever with it.
You can say that GTA is 'the pinnacle' of sandbox games, but I can say you're dead wrong. It was the first, but it's a long way off being the 'best' in any respect - if we're talking GTA IV, that is.
It has the best story, the best graphics and the best immersion - but for what we play games for (the gameplay) it has nothing on Saints Row.
By the way, you mention the controls? GTA IV has Saints Row's controls but they added a lock-on feature. How exactly can you rubbish SR's controls, then? You're using them in GTA IV.
And besides, I'm curious as to how else you think a game can implement driving controls... apart from Y/Triangle to steal a car, GTA copied every racing game that came before it. Oh and it then copied the free-aiming aspect whilst driving from Saints Row.
the driving problem with SR was using a to drive and x to brake. thats what the triggers are for. maybe if they'd stuck the option to map the buttons it wouldn't have been such a big problem for me but cars that appear from nowhere right in front of you and textures that disappear every 3 seconds, plus some terrible screen tearing would still mar the game.
the driving problem with SR was using a to drive and x to brake. thats what the triggers are for.
Wait, what? Every GTA game before GTA IV used that exact mapping. The triggers were never used... you're not putting up a good argument for GTA with that point.
maybe if they'd stuck the option to map the buttons it wouldn't have been such a big problem for me but cars that appear from nowhere right in front of you and textures that disappear every 3 seconds, plus some terrible screen tearing would still mar the game.
The screen tearing is very bad in Saints Row, and the frame rate was pretty terrible (especially with choppers chasing you at night with the light on) - but GTA has/had much more popup and texture problems. You cant go over a certain speed on a motorbike in any GTA game without buildings and trees popping up out of nowhere - same goes for vehicles and pedestrians. And dont get me started on flying in San Andreas...
Even GTA IV has its fair share of texture pop-in. They did a better job with the vehicles this time around, but I think it was at the expense of texture memory.
So basically up to now, the games are on par. So lets talk gameplay features...? GTA IV even going up against the original Saints Row stands no chance in that department. The sheer amount of original things you can do in Saints Row towers over all GTA games put together - and thats just the original game, not the sequel.
the driving problem with SR was using a to drive and x to brake. thats what the triggers are for.
Wait, what? Every GTA game before GTA IV used that exact mapping. The triggers were never used... you're not putting up a good argument for GTA with that point.
maybe if they'd stuck the option to map the buttons it wouldn't have been such a big problem for me but cars that appear from nowhere right in front of you and textures that disappear every 3 seconds, plus some terrible screen tearing would still mar the game.
The screen tearing is very bad in Saints Row, and the frame rate was pretty terrible (especially with choppers chasing you at night with the light on) - but GTA has/had much more popup and texture problems. You cant go over a certain speed on a motorbike in any GTA game without buildings and trees popping up out of nowhere - same goes for vehicles and pedestrians. And dont get me started on flying in San Andreas...
Even GTA IV has its fair share of texture pop-in. They did a better job with the vehicles this time around, but I think it was at the expense of texture memory.
So basically up to now, the games are on par. So lets talk gameplay features...? GTA IV even going up against the original Saints Row stands no chance in that department. The sheer amount of original things you can do in Saints Row towers over all GTA games put together - and thats just the original game, not the sequel.
aye the ps2 versions had the same buttons but i've been playing the xbox versions since i got them and am used to the xbox controls which have used the triggers for driving so your arguements dead. and as i've already said ITS JUST MY OPINION. your the one whose defending it so well. if we all played the same games where would the variety be. some people will just like gta and some will take saints row. i am stating what i didn't like about saints row. if i was a fanboy (or vercetti) i'd be calling you a gaylord for liking SR. but i'm not because i have always believed that whichever game or console you pick up should be down to personal preference. i'll certainly rent SR2 to see if its to my tastes but i ain't gonna spend £40 on it because of my experience with the first one which i'd got shot of within the first month. i did get it again a few months before gta4 came out but could not get into it again. i just didn't like it. thats my right as a consumer. i'm not gonna tell everyone not to buy it or slag anyone off who does cause thats their choice. personally i like agame with a good storyline and for me thats gta. plus you seem to be the one taking the fanboy stance with your facts and figures.
Since sequels usually improve upon the originals in terms of what you can do in them (well, GTA IV not included ) and also looking at everything they've shown in the Saints Row 2 trailer, it's more than a safe bet to say Saints Row 2 is not a poor copy of GTA in any respect.
Well i'm looking forward to saints row 2 and yes i'm a massive fan of gta but i'm also a massive fan of sandbox gaming so who cares who makes them just as long as they are fun and playable ,variety is the spice of life after all
If i were the producers of saints row id stay away from GTA, its a s**t franchise now, that was good in 2002 but has been living of its own success for two long. If i were them i'd create a whole new sand box game, with different missions other then chase and kill, or kill and deliver, or pick up prostitutes. If it does that i may consider buying it. I hope GTA stops know, it has completley gone to far, like Sonic, and i hope it stop the franchise to preserve the decent game it is, before it is ruined.
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) and also looking at everything they've shown in the Saints Row 2 trailer, it's more than a safe bet to say Saints Row 2 is not a poor copy of GTA in any respect.
